The main problem is that people who feel trapped don't have the financial stability to go without income for any period of time, which greatly limits the ability to find a new job.
It's also why voter turnout is so low, at least here in the US.
As intended, of course.
Yup, and why we'll never see a meaningful increase of the minimum wage.
Why would finding a new job cause a lapse in income?
Because you never know what's going to happen at the new job. You might be given circumstances you cannot adhere to or deal with people you simply can't put up with.
Starting a new job is always a gamble and can fail easily
A lot of places will walk you out the moment you turn in notice.
If you planned a two week notice and the other job won't be ready for you until then...you're kind of SOL.
That's why it's important to pay close attention to how your job treats others who have left, and plan accordingly.
But beyond that, you've also got payroll conflicts. If you get paid every other week at your current job, and your new job is off cycle or does bimonthly, or pays on set days, that can result in some short term gaps in income. If those happen to hit when bills are due and you are paycheck to paycheck, you'll either have to get a loan or hope there's an adequate grace period.
If you quit because of bad conditions, like unsafe conditions.
If you get a new job and put in two weeks, your first job might immediately fire you. Teo weeks without pay is a crisis for a lot of people.
If you need to spend time applying and interviewing you might not be able to work your crappy job during that time.
These are US issues for low income earners who are afraid of getting a new job.
Some assholes think that it's very easy for every human being to just go out and find a new job. Just like that.
I like "just start your own business!" I had a small business that did well enough that I was able to run it for 10 years and only stopped out of choice. I now have a relatively low-paying job with someone else and I am more financially secure now than I was during any of those 10 years.
Nobody said it's easy to be independent. Stability is definitely not guaranteed when you have a small business
When "just start your own business" is presented as a real viable alternative to a job with someone else, they are saying it's easy. There's nothing easy about it. And they don't tell you very important things like the tax penalty you have to pay if you don't file quarterly.
I mean, it definitely is an alternative, but it's not easy at all
Dude, stop. They don't want to run a business, they want a guarantee of security, and by rights they are entitled to that. If you don't agree, that's your problem, but don't come up on here thinking their complaints are a threat to your society thinking you have to change their way of thinking to quell it.
We're abandoning you whether you like it or not :P
Jesse wtf are you talking about?
You're defending a shitty evil economic system by defending the notion of small business as a meaningful alternative to work while ignoring the motivations of who you're talking to. Doing that belies your motivations: you see him complaining as a threat to capitalism which you support, which is why you're trying to convince him in the first place.
I am telling you we're going to abandon capitalism whether you like it or not, shutting down your primary goal of convincing people not to complain. I'm telling you emphatically we're going to do a lot more than complain.
It's that simple
Life is not naturally easy- it is only because of the labor of others that life is anywhere near as comfortable as it is now.
We have the means to make a fair and equitable society with minimal crime and no hunger. We, as a society, choose not to. We choose the hard life for the sake of getting everything we worked for to ourselves at the risk of losing it all with one bad day. That's not comfortable. The labour of all should benefit all so that everyone can have an easy and comfortable life.
life can be easy for everyone if we all chip in a little, it's the whole basis of society, we just can't afford the hoarding aristocracy
I kind of feel like both are true.
The threat of starvation and homelessness is a pretty strong coercion to keep working at all...
...but nobody's really stopping you from job-hunting if you really hate this particular job rather than the concept of having a job at all.
I'm not going to sit here and be like "just go back to school, get certifications, blah blah blah" because seriously fuck that. You and whose fuckin' Time Turner?
That said, even looking for a less-awful workplace doing the same thing you're already doing could be an improvement in your overall mental health and life situation. A small step, maybe, but I know from myself and people around me that it can be a step.
You need to be very certain though. What if the new job doesn't work out and they decide 6 months later they don't need you after all? Having a job, as shitty as it might be, is stability. Changing a system always comes with risks.
(Never mind that a different job needs to even be available without moving your whole life elsewhere)
That feels like a musical chairs approach to this issue, where people who find a good job are lucky and sit in that and the rest shuffle between the shitty job leftovers. I recently found a decent job and it‘s only cause the guy retired after 30 years. Now I can only hope they will keep me on, or else I get to participate in that awful game again. Or maybe it will turn shitty for some other reason, like how there is no raises and my rent keeps going up anyway.
We even got unions in my country, and still we ended up like this where a lot of people switch jobs every few years to try and keep up with inflation. I’m not saying don’t take that step though. Sorry, I got no point I think? Just a rant your comment inspired in me.
but nobody’s really stopping you from job-hunting if you really hate this particular job
Yes and no. It might be extremely difficult to get an interview due to the hours you're currently working.
Yet when the writer's guild and sag aftra went on strike they all decided to wait until people started losing their homes.
Ghouls. All of them
Come live in France.
You get a little bit of welfare, enough for rent and food. Highly recommended.
I read that to the tune of Mambo No 5
You get a bit of welfare, 'nuf for rent 🎵 A little bit of food, I recommend 🎶 A little bit of health care, for your life 🎵 And a little bit of family time, for your wife 🎶
So make a self sustaining commune that lives up to your principles. I think you will find that to be more work than your average 9-5 however.
It's illegal to homestead in the United States without first buying the land from whoever owns it already, even if the land is entirely unused. This means you need a massive injection of capital, the kind of capital that would mean you're in the top 10% of Americans (at least) in terms of wealth, exactly the kinds of people who aren't looking to escape society. This isn't even mentioning the kinds of building permits and other stamps of approval from the government you'd need to do this, also requiring capital and often licensing by a trained professional.
Of course you can just find unused land and roll the dice on getting caught. A lot of communes have done this successfully, but not everyone is comfortable doing something that is technically illegal.
A lot of people in the top 10% are still working class, and would benefit from a dismantling of capitalism, but they're not so poor that leaving society is favorable, just reforming society.
For the people who would benefit from leaving society, they're coerced to stay via laws written by and for the powerful (enforcing private property rights for example, denying access to unused lands).
These are fair counterpoints, thanks for the reply. My point was more that work is necessary in any society given today’s technology, even in one designed to be as egalitarian and non-coercive as possible
The difference is someone has to do the labor to stop you from being homeless and starving. So, either you will do labor that can compensate them- or you should do the labor to stop yourself from starving. Starvation is the natural state of humanity
Starvation is the natural state of the individual. Society separates us from that. You will find that other things are also fairly natural, such as death, disease, and exposure.
"If the pickings are slim, they'll appreciate what little they get."
My stomach forces me. So does my pride. And my wife.
A set of doctrines or beliefs that are shared by the members of a social group or that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.
Edit: this response was part of a chain, but I posted it when lemmy.world was having issues and I think my lemmy client couldn't find the comment it was responding to, so it just posted it at the top level, here's the chain for context: https://lemmy.world/comment/1973311
Capitalism is an ideology, you have a very weird relationship with definitions, first denying what scalping is and now denying what an ideology is. I don't know why you choose to live in a world where you just make up your own definitions, but it makes it harder to communicate.
Demand outstrips supply absolutely, and yeah if we built an infinite number of houses we'd have a fine supply, but also if we didn't have 16 million vacant homes we'd also have a fine supply. We currently have more vacant housing units than homeless people (by a factor of ~30), and capitalists are purposefully restricting supply to increase cost.
I don't know why you choose to live in a world where there is only one possible solution to the housing crisis. I've already said building more would obviously help supply, I don't know why you're so ideologically motivated that you can't admit that putting literally millions of housing units on the market would also help supply. You seem to have an inability to even consider that capitalism could have any problems. That's the epitome of an ideologue.
This same logic could be used to argue that the government forced people to get the covid vaccine.
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