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Prison forces trans woman into solitary confinement at a men's facility (www.lgbtqnation.com)
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[-] toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 100 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So she was transferred to a men's facility from a women's, denied any opportunity to appeal, and thrown in solitary for not going willingly. I wonder, are they going to keep her in solitary for the rest of her imprisonment, or are they going to release her and put a woman in with the men at the prison? Either seems like a completely fucked up option.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 81 points 4 months ago

Suffering is the point...

[-] Huschke@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

Maybe in the US. Civilized nations treat their prisoners with decency.

[-] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 23 points 4 months ago

It's Definitely not just a US thing, although the scale of incarceration in the US is immense. it's just a handful of European countries that actually treat prisoners ok.

[-] Melody@lemmy.one 43 points 4 months ago

Rationally; she did break a rule. Logically; that should've seen her placed in the 'Female Solitary Unit'; as she was already classified as female.

Unfortunately, the prison also made a large mistake, and she should not have been 'transferred' to a Men's Facility.

[-] awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago

She wasn't placed in solitary for breaking the rule, that's a fairly common rule to break. She was placed in solitary for resisting the transfer.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 17 points 4 months ago

I might not be understanding something, but if she's being placed in solitary, I'm not really sure what difference it makes what type of facility she's put into. My understanding is that you don't get to interact with anybody in solitary, regardless of gender. I can't imagine there's too many gender-specific accommodations that are made in these situations.

[-] DessertStorms 58 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Maybe actually read the article? This is right at the top:

When Kim realized she was being removed, she asked to speak with her lawyer and see paperwork authorizing the transfer, which was denied. Kim then refused to walk as commanded, at which point she was allegedly thrown to the ground by guards, who tied her ankles and wrists together and put her in the back of an SUV, she said. At Monroe Correctional Complex, Kim was put into solitary confinement, for allegedly “refusing transfer.”

She wouldn't be in solitary confinement if they hadn't moved her.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 9 points 4 months ago

Maybe read the rest of the comments before replying? I already addressed that I misunderstood the timeline.

[-] DessertStorms 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You said

I’m not really sure what difference it makes what type of facility she’s put into. My understanding is that you don’t get to interact with anybody in solitary, regardless of gender.

You also said

I might not be understanding something

But no mention of timeline. 🤔

Though even if you had mentioned the timeline, the quote I pasted from the top of the article is pretty clear about that.

But no, you were clearly "misunderstanding" why it matters if she's in male-prison solitary or female-prison solitary, while deliberately ignoring the key fact that she shouldn't be in solitary in the first place. Or you simply just didn't read the article.

Either way, putting your hand up to say "my bad" isn't hard to do, and it makes you look a lot less like you're here in bad faith than doubling down like you are now does.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago

Bruh, I already said I misunderstood, and explained exactly what and how I misunderstood it. The mistake has already been corrected be somebody else before you. If that isn't enough for you, then kindly fuck off because you already got more than you were owed, o mighty arbiter of comprehension.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago

When you realize your initial comment is wrong, edit it.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago

What was wrong? I was asking for clarification on something I didn't understand. I got it. What needs to be edited?

[-] mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Maybe the title of this post or the article needs to be updated if solitary confinement itself wasn't the real issue, but rather that it was a transgender woman being transferred from a women's prison to a men's prison?

[-] DessertStorms 2 points 4 months ago

Or, you know, this person could have just read the fucking article (or even just skimmed the first quarter of it) before making a comment making it clear they didn't, then getting their back up when they get called out?

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago

I read the article. I missed two lines from it on my first go around. Maybe I was multitasking while I was reading it. Maybe I was on mobile and there were ads distracting my ADHD-riddled brain. Maybe I just forgot that part. Who knows, all that matters it that I misunderstood. That was it. A misunderstanding, which were literally the first fucking words in my comment in the first place you absolute clown.

I won't apologize for misunderstanding and asking for help, and fuck you for insinuating that I should, and for trying to gaslight me into thinking I've done anything wrong by asking for a fucking explanation. You're so eager to find your "gotcha" moment that you're willing to cannibalize your own team to get it.

[-] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Here's an additional article with significantly more background information: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trans-rights-prison-amber-kim_n_6557ce06e4b0998d69a049d4

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

That’s not news, it’s just a common cruelty

[-] indomara@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

This is really sad all around. Sex isn't supposed to happen in prison, but it happens in men's and women's facilities. The fact that this person was only vilified and transferred to a men's facility after someone at the DOC leaked the investigation documents and an article was run dead naming her and implying she was a predator is so wrong.

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