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Invader used to be fun, now they are just dumb (programming.dev)
submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by Kuro@programming.dev to c/eldenring@lemmy.ml
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I have been playing the Souls games since Dark Souls, back in the day on the XBox 360. The Invader mechanic was always a nice touch to the game, most of the people tried to have a fair fight or at least they tried to fight you.

But now, since the DLC, all invaders we get are people trying to lure you to dragons or in a boss room or into another group of enemies because they only understand their L2 button smashing build and can't figure out how to fight properly without abusing some mechanic. Yesterday three people tried to one-shot me with the (thankfully now fixed) Perfumer Bottle Ash of war. Today someone started to shoot at me from afar with a canon and just ran away until he had enough help to finally kill me and my friend. It is just so damn boring going against one trick ponys... Where are the fair fights? Where are the manners? Where are the skillfull invaders that show me how a weapon is used beyond its ash of war?

It is so frustrating, i loved getting invaded in base Elden Ring, always tried to have 1:1 fights with fairness for both sides. But this now is just dumb.

Thank you for reading my rant.

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[-] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

In Dark souls 1 did invaders not invade you to attack you at range while you were dodging traps in Sens Fortress, or try to lure you to the Darkroot Garden ladder to kick you off of it, or block the archer path in Anor Londo, or shoot you off the bridge in Oolacile Township, or move swap a rapier with the dragon tooth, or dead angle WOG you, or TWOP you, or DMB Power within R1 spam you, or etc, etc, etc?

If they lure you, don't follow them. If they range you, use a shield, dodge, stand behind a tree, move in a zig zag. You're the host, they have to come to you to get what they're there for if you make them.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Yeah, what OP mentions has been 95% of all my invasion experiences across all of From's Soulsbourne Ring games. If anything, I much prefer how invasions are handled in ER vs previous iterations. No more being a new player doing some solo exploring and getting invaded by someone using some cheap, OP build that one-shots you. Now it can only happen when you're doing co-op with 1 or more players, putting the invader at an inherent disadvantage (unless the host intentionally opts into it solo).

Don't get me wrong, invasions can be super fun in any of their games when the one invading isn't being a cheap asshole. Sadly, especially now that ER has brought the franchise into the larger mainstream, those experiences will be rarer and rarer. The other week, my buddy and I were prepping for the Gaius fight and got invaded by a legit player. That was the first time either of us had had one in years, we even didn't gang up on the invader and tried to keep it mostly 1v1 (he/she eventually started targeting both of us regardless so we both went to beat down town on them).

[-] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago

Yea, I haven't seen many honor duels in the wild since dark souls 1 because they've pretty much included some form of dueling mechanic since the Dark souls 1 DLC onward. It especially never happens in Elden Ring because as you noted, invasions typically go through to someone with a summon, so honor fighting is pretty much immediately thrown to the wind out of caution.

[-] Kuro@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

Maybe i did not have this many bad interactions in DS 1 - 3. At least it was less L2 Spam with some endgame weapon. Sure there was the occasional invader that was overpowered but the majority was fighting on common ground. Nowadays it seems like who can press L2 mlrw often and tank ghe hits.

[-] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Now that colosseums exists, the only kind of invaders left are the ones who want to sabotage you.

[-] Kuro@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah seems so. Its just sad. I am always open for a nice duel but this is just akward.

[-] Didros@beehaw.org 3 points 4 months ago

I boot up my favorite game after a long day of work. As I play I am invaded by another player. They are joining my game for one reason. To end my life.

Then to my surprise, they attacked me! Don't they know how this is supposed to be done?! There are rules for duels in a civilized world! And this bastard is using a ranged weapon! They don't understand how I want to be attacked at all! It's almost as if they have fun in a way that I don't enjoy!

It's that simple really, there are people that did not enjoy pvp until these changes you hate. Sometimes a game will come out in a franchise that you don't like, and that is okay.

[-] Kuro@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago

I like the game. It is one of the best ones out there. You did not get my point at all but thats okay.

[-] Didros@beehaw.org 3 points 4 months ago

Than your complaint is with the players the game has attracted? Because the guy that shot at you with a cannon and kept running from you until they could kill you, sounds to me like the best fight you've had yet.

Is your problem with the fact you need to chase them? Cause you don't need to?

Is your problem that they invade you? Because you can turn that off.

Is your problem that some people do not have fun in the same type of fights you do? Because they are following all of the rules that are set within the game for an invasion. So I ask, do you like this game? You can play without the dlc can't you? You could play a past souls born as well if you liked invasions better there.

[-] Kuro@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

How can i turn invasions of if i want to play in coop with a friend?

[-] Iapar@feddit.org 2 points 3 months ago

Those are invaders. They force yourself into your world to kill you. There is no honor in it. Honor has nothing to do with it.

You want honor than duel. Invading is for people who want to fuck with you or want to take something from you.

Expecting that they don't use anything they can to kill you is simply naïve.

[-] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

In my constant suffering while attempting to kill the bullshit Death Knight tonight I was invaded many times. Only like three of them actually fought well. The rest just ran away like a bitch or tried to bait us into one of the spike crusher rooms. We beat them all of course, but crushing the runner was especially satisfying.

[-] Kuro@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

That is also my experience. Spawning in and directly running away and trying to lure people into some trap or fight with other enemies. Its boring.

[-] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

We just ignored them lmao.

If they run that means they can't fight worth shit and won't follow you. So many times we just... Entered the boss room instead of chasing them lol

[-] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago

Pvp was definitely an afterthought unfortunately. It was also my favorite part of previous souls games

[-] Kuro@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

Sadly yes.

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