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“(With) today’s Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity, that fundamentally changed. For all practical purposes, there are virtually no limits on what the president can do. It’s a fundamentally new principle and it’s a dangerous precedent because the power of the office will no longer be constrained by the law even including the supreme court of the United States.”

Throughout his address, Biden underscored the gravity of the moment, emphasizing that the only barrier to the president’s authority now lies in the personal restraint of the officeholder. He warned vehemently against the prospect of Trump returning to power, painting a stark picture of the dangers such an outcome could pose.

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[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 324 points 9 months ago

Then fucking do something about it Joe! The DNC has been little more than passive observers to the raise of fascism.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 91 points 9 months ago

Since we're talking about a SCOTUS ruling, it would be on Congress to pass legislation.

And to follow up on @teodor_from_achewood@lemmy.world's comment, the Democratic National Committee is a private party organization that supports Democratic candidates in elections. They have nothing to do with passing legislation.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 112 points 9 months ago

It's on Biden to personally demonstrate to SCOTUS just how dangerous the ruling was.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 70 points 9 months ago

By calling for drone strikes on SCOTUS, yes.

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[-] teodor_from_achewood@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago

"The DNC" doesn't do what you think it does.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago

It doesn't do what it should.

The point of the party is supposed to be long-term strategy and putting the platform over any one person.

When people talk about what the DNC should be doing, it's not some "gotchya" to point out that they're not doing their job and leadership needs replaced.

It's just proving their point

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 248 points 9 months ago

He’s so pissed about it he’s gonna do absolutely nothing!

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 49 points 9 months ago

I would love to see him detain every scotus justice and stash em in a safe house for their protection/national security. Give them no freedom of movement or agency over their lives... see if they change their tune.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You apparently want him to do illegal things because he can now get away with it?

edit: are basic norms being downvoted here because if republicans are corrupt af, we should not have any standards either?

Edit 2: you're not teaching me anything by telling me the Republicans did something more fucked up first. Do you people honestly think Biden would/could murder political opponents. He obviously won't. He shouldn't. Jfc

Edit 3: yup I'm totally saying let's do nothing about this. You people are brilliant.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 96 points 9 months ago

Apparently "when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal" is now law.

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[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No, I want him to call their bluff and rise to the challenge of meeting this constitutional crisis. The top court in the land has gone off the rails, and seemingly in collusion with a concerted effort to destroy the rule of law.

Blithely waiting until the election to “let the people defeat Trump” is dereliction. This ruling may be curated in deference for Trump, but unless it is challenged forcefully it will not just go away on January 7th 2024 if Trump loses again. Because when the question of “What are ‘official acts’ v ‘private acts’ then?” comes up, it’ll go right back to the ~~SCotUS~~ the Heritage Foundation and their interpretations.

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 135 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Dumbass and spineless Biden and Democrats. The supreme court literally just started that America had a king but this dumbass party would rather take some stupid fucking high road bullshit instead of playing the game to ensure the fascist fuck around and find out.

They don't even have to resort to assassinations, they could really tell the IRS to audit 501(c) and remove their status from the churches and bullshit Republican charities, or tell the justice department to focus on domestic terrorism and corruption to fuck over Republican groups and representatives, or tell the FDA to allow the sale of raw milk.

Play the god damn game and be the fucking king if these corrupt justice says there's a king.

[-] Daxter101 57 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That is a guaranteed path to fascism.

I'm not gonna say that the chances are good, but if they refuse, and win, and then walk back the changes, maybe fascism can be averted.

If they walk into using these tools and normalise them even more, then when the other party gets the government again, you get a republican fascist, and if the other party never gets the government again, it's because you got a "democrat" fascist.

Don't race to the bottom, everyone loses there.

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No, you use the fascist power granted by fascists to abuse the fascists who granted it in the first place. Power is the only thing that stops fascists. Start with a few nights in a black site for the justices who thought granting absolute power to the president was OK. If scotus already accepts fascism from their team it's already too late for your plan to work.

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[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I honestly don't know why anyone is strategising as if they're on the same side as dems or any politician. I'm not even convinced we have a common enemy in Trump, because they don't seem serious about beating him.

The question you should ask when voting is "Who is my preferred enemy?" Biden won't abuse the carte blanche immunity from criminal prosecution? Great, sounds like he's the weaker enemy, so vote for him. Force him to keep the position he clearly doesn't want. Force him to disappoint his base for another four years.

While he's doing that, get to work building alternatives that meet people's needs from the bottom up and wean them off of this criminal system, to undermine it and prepare people to thrive as it crumbles.

The great thing about this political theory of change is that it's the same regardless of who's in power. It decouples you from the capricious, disempowering shifts of electoral politics.

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[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 126 points 9 months ago

If only he were in some position of power to do something about it hmmmmmm.

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[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 109 points 9 months ago

Ok Biden, time to do something about these fascists. They just gave you everything you need to squash the threat, on a silver platter fit for a king. It’s time to process the new information, understand the powers granted to you, and act - are you up to this task? Please don’t let America down, because you have asserted yourself as the only one who can now do anything about it.

[-] tiefling 76 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Never underestimate establishment Democrats' ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

[-] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Fire a Justice..... Or you know a couple.....

Out of a cannon.

[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 98 points 9 months ago

Biden: The Supreme Court ruled I can do ANYTHING I WANT!

Also Biden: So I will do NOTHING! Please Vote kthxbai!

[-] ExFed@lemm.ee 53 points 9 months ago

Yes, because he actually cares about what the Constitution stands for, not just some adversarial power game. Claim the paradox of tolerance all you want, but fighting fire with fire here is just participating in the same race to the bottom that's destroying our democracy here in the USA.

[-] Land_Strider@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

Preemptive strikes exist. Law does not need to apply after the fact if the law is allowed preventive measures.

And arguing about if one should take such a preventive strike, yes they should since the perp has already declared threatening intentions to cause immediate harm.

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[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 95 points 9 months ago

Wow it's a shame he's a fucking pussy who won't author an 'official act' to oust the supreme court.

[-] bolexforsoup 25 points 9 months ago

You don’t need to resort to misogyny/sexist insults to make a point.

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[-] Wilzax@lemmy.world 72 points 9 months ago

"Biden Blasts Supreme Court" could have a whole new meaning after their latest ruling

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[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 66 points 9 months ago

What is to stop Biden from cancelling the upcoming election?

Being now his powers are effectively unchecked, couldn't he just call off the election as an official act. Rather than stupid shit like ordering assassination or deploying the military, just say "I'm cancelling the election until such time this ruling is overturned and a constitutional amendment is enacted that states that the president is not immune from criminal prosecution"

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago

He doesn't need to cancel the elections. He just needs to wait until after the conventions, when congress and the supreme court are in recess. And then he issues an executive order barring convicted felons from holding federal office.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 28 points 9 months ago

That would be some very funny chaos

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 28 points 9 months ago

Saving that move for Trump. It's the dystopian future I guess we deserve.

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[-] Hawanja@lemmy.world 60 points 9 months ago

I like how every single one of these comments are blaming Biden and the Democrats for a supreme court ruling that the conservatives and Republicans enacted. How about we put the blame on the people who are actually doing the terrible things?

This is why the Republicans keep winning btw, because they're united.

[-] Kroxx@lemm.ee 26 points 9 months ago

Watched the debate, this is a verbatim quote I pulled from the transcript, Biden: "And if I’m elected, I’m going to restore Roe v. Wade." Why does he have to wait for re-election?

I expect Reps. to strip rights and will always blame them for that. The flip side of that is I expect Dems. to restore them, which isn't happening and so they should be criticized. It's just always "we'll fix it in the future" which is why I put the biden quote in.

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[-] sirico@feddit.uk 49 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The 18th century British The British

[-] mrfriki@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is how dictatorships start. You know it, right?

[-] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 35 points 9 months ago

Maybe he should wield his newfound power instead

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago

That's just not true. If you are a fascist and rich, you are a king. You can commit crimes in broad daylight and nothing can be done about it.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

We need someone that will use every tool at their disposal to stop trump.

Biden has shown time and time again, that's he's just not willing to do that.

Stopping trump is more important than Biden, if he won't fight, and he won't get out of the way, and the party won't force him to...

It's time to ask why we still support the party. The voters are the irreplaceable part, not the party.

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[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

Time to use these powers to clear out the Supreme Court and put in non corrupt assholes.

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[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Public: So do something about it.

Biden: I-i-i-if I do that, I'll be a baka.

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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What Biden needs to do, like right fucking now, is pack the courts. AOC trying with a token effort to get them impeached is cute, but will ultimately fail because Republicans won't turn on their own. The Senate is tied (if you count Bernie as one of the dems) and Harris has the tiebreaker. The house is controlled by the Republicans, but only 7 individuals need to break from their party in order to get a simple majority to save the future of America.

Biden could expand the SCOTUS from 9 seats to 13 and immediately submit 4 liberal justices for confirmation to be seated. ~~Expanding the court doesn't require congressional approval, so Biden could do this unilaterally and~~ as long as he is able to get butts in those seats, they're there to stay even if Trump squeaks his way back in. They could then challenge and overturn the immunity ruling, as well as all the other dogshit rulings that have come out in the last couple of years like Dobbs.

He threatened to do it before. He needs to actually pull the trigger.

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