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[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 247 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yall need to learn some history.

The liberal SDP split with the communists, supporting "centrist" Hindenburg in the name of unity.

The communists campaigned on "A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war"

Hindenburg won the election, getting more votes than either the communist or fascist candidates.

Hindenburg, the liberal candidate, then proceeded to make Hitler the chancellor and staff positions of power with nazis while purging the government of communists.

The nazis then barely had to do anything to assert complete control.

The nazis didn't get in power because communists stayed home, they got into power because the liberals would rather work with fascists than communists.

[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 91 points 2 months ago

Those lib kids would be very upset if they could read

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 50 points 2 months ago

The Nazis didn’t get in power because communists stayed home, they got into power because the liberals would rather work with fascists than communists.

Lets not bury the lede. You run weak Democrats, you comprise with fascists (or just do the policies yourself; Biden's border bill, Congressional support for making criticism of Israel a hate crime) : this is the path you put us on.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

Cool. In this comparison, none of that matters and the Tweet has a completely valid point.

Unless you suspect Biden will be appointing Trump in his cabinet if he wins?

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 59 points 2 months ago

We've been saying from day one, that if Biden doesn't move to the left and use every tool at his disposal to improve people's material conditions, Trump's going to win in 2024.

Biden didn't just not go left, he tried to outflank the republicans from the right by facilitating genocide, ending covid protections, and passing the most draconian border bill since like the 40s.

This is the closest thing he could have done to handing Trump the presidency, short of appointing him VP and stepping down.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 35 points 2 months ago

Biden didn't just not go left, he tried to outflank the republicans from the right by facilitating genocide, ending covid protections, and passing the most draconian border bill since like the 40s.

This is one of the worst examples of confirmation bias I have ever seen. The Biden Administration's entire record is out there for you to peruse, and you pick 3 things out of hundreds, possibly thousands, that you think justify your comparison.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Your hyperbole is over the top. Trump’s Title 42 and Muslim ban were far worse.

POTUS has no reasonable control over grocery store prices, which is the part of the economy everyone is most concerned with. Last time an Executive Order was used to price fix the food industry, it blew up in Nixon’s face. Supply chain constraints were industry wide, and when the order expired, prices went up far past standard inflation. The other big concern is housing, which could be addressed with legislation if Democrats had congressional majority.

I completely agree about support of Israel. The only comparison is knowing Trump will be worse for Palestinians. It’s terrible to reconcile, but those are the options.

Abstaining isn’t voting for Trump, it’s refusing to stand in his way.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Trump’s Title 42 and Muslim ban were far worse.

Biden waited 3.5 years to end title 42 and tried to close the border. He has deported more people than Trump.

POTUS has no reasonable control over grocery store prices

He literally does though. But there's a million other things he could have done when he had control. Instead we just get excuses about how powerless the party controlling both houses and the presidency was because of Manchin or the parliamentarian or the SCOTUS or some rules the dems set for themselves or norms or whatever.

There's no point in quibbling about whether Biden was less bad than trump, these actions decrease how many people will vote for him. Implementing policy that makes you lose the election is refusing to stand in republican's way.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Wrong.

Biden ended the Muslim Ban on Jan 21, 2021, the day after he was inaugurated.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/01/21/biden-executive-order-ends-muslim-travel-ban-donald-trump/4240420001/

He ended Title 42 on May 20, 2022, but the measure was stopped by federal judges. It took until May of 2023 to be completed.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/20/title-42-border-judge-ruling-migrants/

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nobody is talking about the Muslim ban, we're talking about the more recent attempt to close the mexican border.

But it's irrelevant, you're still missing the point.

My point is that Biden's unpopular actions decrease how many people will vote for him. This is how Biden ensures Trump will come to power.

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

@disguy_ovahea

You shouldn't engage with this guy. Its always a bait and switch/ false premise/ straw man with this guy.

You make a point about an actual bill (the mexican border bill), he makes it about trump and a muslim ban.

Its always in bad faith. Its a condition of blue MAGA.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

he tried to outflank the republicans from the right

You really expect to be taken seriously saying some idiotic shit like this?

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

It looks a lot like in a way History is repeating itself: the Democrat Establishment in the US (who are a hard neoliberals, not lefties) fielded directly and without a Primary a guy like Biden who is less than in his prime and even supports an ethno-Fascist regime commiting Genocide (and, more importantly, is unwilling to walk back on that support even to improve his odds of winning against Trump, which is what we are being told is the most important thing in the World) all of which is making it far more likely that the Fascists will get power.

There are vast contradictions between what we are being told is the danger of Trump getting elected and the DNC and Biden persistently making choices that increase the chances of Trump getting elected and not walking back on those.

Surelly if "Stop Trump" is the most important thing in the World for them, the Democrat Establishment too would be walking towards the wishes of the electorate not just trying to push the electorate to do all the walking towards the wishes of the Democrat Establishment.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

and lets not forget what stopped hitler wasnt electoralism. it was the soviets, and they needed force at that point.

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[-] Belastend@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

During Hitlers Ascent to Power, the communist still considered the SPD to be the bigger threat and refused to march with them. And the SPD of the 1930 were by no means "liberals". They were further to the left than any democrat has ever been.

[-] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 23 points 2 months ago

the communist still considered the SPD to be the bigger threat and refused to march with them

...which was confirmed when they agreed with the Nazis... And when they collaborated with the Freikorps to crush, torture, and murder the communists.

And the SPD of the 1930 were by no means "liberals". They were further to the left than any democrat has ever been.

Go ask Rosa Luxembourg, leader of communists in Germany and murdered at 47 at the order of SPD, how progressive and left the SPD was. "Left is when you agree to murder and torture communists". Fucking revisionists man

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[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago

Wowsers, that's horrible! I'll make sure not to vote for Biden if he nominates Trump as his VP.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 96 points 2 months ago

Also, Hitler had to declare a state if emergency to gain the absolute power the Supreme Court has just handed to the US president.

Suffice it to say, something lile this is impossible now in Germany. The justices of our highest court, the Bindesverfassungsgericht, can only hold the job for 12 years and can be no older than 68. They are also always equally voted in by two different branches of the government and need a two thirds majority for any decision.

Our democracy isn't without faults, but this is probably our strongest bulwark against another descent into facsism.

[-] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 44 points 2 months ago

Let's hope it holds up against the AFD

[-] iarigby@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

it looks like it isn’t holding up? How are they allowed to still campaign?

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[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 78 points 2 months ago

“dOnT cArE, nOt VoTiNg”

-hexbear

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 74 points 2 months ago

Hitler was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg. He wasn't voted in by the people.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Even setting aside the bit of history where the SDP party rallied around Hindenburg because of their deep and abiding fear of the Evil Russian Backed KDP party (god damn, everything old really is new again), there were three different elections from July of '32 to March of '33. The Nazis took 37% of the seats in July, dipped down to 32% in November, and then jumped to 43% the following March.

And then, what really kicked off martial law was the Reichstagg fire, which was blamed on Tankie Antifa Far-Left Communists and used to justify a Nazi-lead state of martial law. Liberals, Conservatives, and Fascists all united under a single banner in their staunch hatred of German Communism.

This was decades after German military police and Freikorps paramilitary groups under Hindenburg crushed the Spartacus League during the 1919 strike wave. The leaders of the movement - Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht, and Franz Mehring - were executed by the police and the organizations disbanded under threat of further imprisonment/execution.

This, in comparison to the Beer Hall Pustch four years later, in which Hitler's band of low-ranking military officers were tossed in the drunk tank for nine months, before returning to politics and rapidly climbing the ranks on the basis that he'd been martyred by (((bad Germans))) who secretly controlled the government.

Gotta wonder how this compares to the 2014 BLM protests, the subsequent police crackdown, and then the string of BLM leadership "suicides" where members of the movement shot themselves in the head right before being incinerated in their cars. Or the widespread bipartisan/corporate efforts to suppress labor activism in the rail, shipping, and Amazon distribution centers, the automotive industry, and the Starbucks-centric food service sectors.

Or the feeble efforts by US government officials to arrest/convict J6ers, the hand-slap sentencing of Alex Jones and Steve Bannon, and the stubborn refusal to federally prosecute Donald Trump.

Oh well, anyways!

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 26 points 2 months ago

Yeah we have a lot more in common with pre third Reich Germany than people want to talk about and it's not just a voting for a crazy shouting lunatic thats making the comparison so eerily similar.

The staunch refusal to try and go left and actually make things better and give people to rally behind is gonna do a lot of the heavy lifting of moving people to the right and it's not appreciated or understood by the people who make the memes about voting for Biden regardless of anything.

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[-] LostAndSmelly@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago

Imagine having a political opponent you consider equal to Hitler and choosing Joe Biden as the candidate you run against him.

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[-] Isa@feddit.org 58 points 2 months ago

The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. — Plato

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 19 points 2 months ago

Just ask my slaves. Gods, I love slavery. - Plato

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[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 46 points 2 months ago

Since this is posted on a shitpost community, I'll just assume it's not supposed to be taken seriously.

[-] Wrrzag@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 months ago

Yeah, and he went away not because they voted him out but thanks to Soviet weapons.

[-] WldFyre@lemm.ee 30 points 2 months ago

Who allied up with the Nazis to invade Poland?

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago

Soviets were the only ones who truly supported the Spanish democracy against the fascist. Every other country, including Poland, turned their back to us while the Luffwaffle was bombing our citizens.

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[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 29 points 2 months ago

And American weapons. Let's not pretend that the USSR fought alone.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 22 points 2 months ago
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[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 37 points 2 months ago

Libs trying to teach history before learning it themselves. Iconic.

[-] rainynight65@feddit.de 30 points 2 months ago

It didn't just take "Hitler's death" for Germans to be able to vote again. It wasn't a case of "oh look, he's dead, now we can go back to democracy". It took over a decade of political terror and violence, a devastating world war, and one of the most organised campaigns of mass murder and genocide in history.

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[-] jayemar@lemm.ee 27 points 2 months ago

So weird to think that that all went down in 14 years. 2010 doesn't seem that long ago.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

If they survived that is.

[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is not a shitpost.

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[-] kickeriekuh@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 months ago

The first NSDAP government came into being in 1930, in Thuringia. It toppled a left-wing government with a broad alliance of liberals, conservatives and right-wing extremists. Today, a center-left government is still in power in Thuringia, but in a tolerated minority government that is dependent on the votes of the other parties. In a few months, it will most likely be voted out by another one. The liberal, conservative and far-right parties are already using their majority to jointly push through laws against the government. An extreme right-wing party will probably become the strongest force and as such will be able to do a lot of damage, even without government participation.

There are already areas where only right-wing candidates are running and right-wing conservatives are the most left-wing option.

Perhaps history will repeat itself this year.

[-] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That's just a bit over 3 legislative periods. Hardly enough for anything significant to happen.

Edit: Just two hours passed and Poe's Law struck again.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

How long until Coles Law?

(I am very hungry)

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