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[-] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

yeah, but that takes work and money - you know what's free? blame.

[-] Darkard@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

And don't forget, if you criminalise those things you can generate more profit for the prison system

[-] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Not just from the fees prisons charge governments to house the criminals, either. It's also the profits from the slave labor.

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

If you believe that laws forbidding gambling, sale of liquor, sale of contraceptives, requiring definite closing hours, enforcing the Sabbath, or any such, are necessary to the welfare of your community, that is your right and I do not ask you to surrender your beliefs or give up your efforts to put over such laws. But remember that such laws are, at most, a preliminary step in doing away with the evils they indict. Moral evils can never be solved by anything as easy as passing laws alone. If you aid in passing such laws without bothering to follow through by digging in to the involved questions of sociology, economics, and psychology which underlie the causes of the evils you are gunning for, you will not only fail to correct the evils you sought to prohibit but will create a dozen new evils as well.

—Robert A. Heinlein, Take Back Your Government

[-] subverted_per@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago

"But I don't want to fix the problem, I want to punish people." A conservative, probably.

[-] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

You can feel morally superior breaking from reality all you want, but around here, there are sidewalk turds literally right next to working public restrooms.

[-] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 months ago

Quick guess: undercapacity.

i assume no one wants to shit on the floor unless there's a (subjective) reason

[-] Lennnny@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

No one prefers a public, uncomfortable shit over a private, comfortable one (other than for kinks). People shit outside of toilets the same reasons pets do - inadequate conditions, medical issues, or to make a point about something they care about. Rather than take the thing away, deal with the problem.

[-] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 4 months ago

If it's occupied when you really need to go, decency goes out the window. Doesn't matter who you are.

[-] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

Overdose prevention sites are still just treating the symptoms, but at least in a way that doesn’t attack the victims. Offer free meaningful rehab treatment to addicts like China did. They went from 30% of their population addicted to opium to nearly 0 within a few short years this way. We shouldn’t be encouraging destructive drug use, nor should we be criminalizing victims of drug companies and criminal organizations.

IMO, this is the data people who are arguing against it refuse to see.

Removing those resources isn't stopping the problem, it just pushes it deeper underground. And then it spills out into the neighborhoods/small towns that have been wrecked by it.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Stupid people offend me. Can I interest you in some low cost public education?

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

But building houses is so boring, let's spend 5mil on police military gear!!!

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Logic. All logic.

[-] Twinkletoes@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

Potatoes are food, not friends.

[-] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I see this guy has never tried to use a public restroom in san francisco... Providing public restrooms resulted in absolutely horrendously disgusting and unusable public restrooms that literally require a hazmat suit to clean, ignoring the needles.

The primary issue was the defunding and closure of mental health facilities. While far from perfect, we probably should've focused on improving them instead of throwing mentally unstable people onto the streets to fend for themselves.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

throwing mentally unstable people onto the streets to fend for themselves

Tragic dereliction of public duty.

unusable public restrooms

Dolores Park

Ocean Beach

Golden Gate Bridge Welcome Center

Downtown BART (with full-time $$$attendant$$$ monitoring)

Wouldn’t eat on their floors, but they’re fine.

Might have eaten at the Lincoln Park Golf Course’s:

The sad thing to me about SF bathrooms ain’t their cleanliness. It’s that we only have one of these:

PS, TIL the original pissoir design didn’t try to show dong off to Muni:

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