Any predictions on how long it'll take for conservatives to start outlawing sterilizations for women?
My friend with severe PCOS and who would never be able to be pregnant had the hardest time already trying to get a hysterectomy at 28. Even asked about her future husband being ok with this decision.
So we aren't that far off already.
I can understand making absolutely sure that this is what the woman wants, but don't bring in an imaginary person into the decision. That is for her and the person she starts seeing down the line and whether she wants to tell him on the first date.
Honestly it’s so difficult to get done as it is that they don’t even need to outlaw. It’s virtually unobtainable for most women unless they already have “enough” kids, whatever that means to a specific doctor, or they travel to find a willing doctor.
It took me 8 years to get it done because I’ve never reproduced (childfree by choice). And I’m one of the easier stories. I got it done at 27, in 2015, and while some doctors are more willing now, most aren’t. Especially in conservative areas.
All they have to do is keep making doctors scared to offer proper reproductive care, make it risky and they stop going into that field. You don’t need to make it illegal, just impossible. Rich white people will still be able to choose, so they don’t care.
I had to deal with a whole bunch of people asking me hypothetical questions. What if you regret it? (what if I regret having them?), what about your future partner? (If they are right for me they also don’t want kids, and I don’t plan to get married anyway). What if you change your mind? (I will adopt if that happens. I don’t believe sharing my junk genetics is important, and the chances of issues are high anyway since I’m also broken, and there are plenty of not-infant kids who need homes if I get maternal, but kids under 5 aren’t my jam and probably never will be, and I’m probably too negligent to raise them right anyway). Ultimately they couldn’t argue with my logic but it took years of finding the right doctors getting the right consultations, etc.
That's why I hauled ass to the doctor and got a bisalp scheduled asap. I ended up getting them to agree to a hysterectomy this year, which is what I really wanted, but I wasn't willing to take a chance on that not happening. I'm no longer in the young category, but I was only 38 and potentially still fertile (and way more likely to have complications from being "geriatric").
They are already trying to ban contraceptives. Cancer is what they are.
TIHI. Fuck this is coming isn't it.
It's already super hard. I was lucky and found a doctor who understood, but I'm not young. People in their 20s face a whole bunch of bullshit, enough to get in the way and prevent them having the procedure. It's fucked.
The lesbian woman got sterelized in case she gets raped so it doesn't result in pregnancy. That's ... wow.
If you read to the end, the article mentions that the first time Ferst tried to get sterilized (and her old doctor was being difficult) she still had a male partner. I think she's bisexual.
Dear young men. Get a vasectomy. You don't want to raise children in a doomed future, plus it might do wonders to your dating profile.
I got one a month ago. $200 out of pocket. I feel great. Cheapest $200 I’ve ever spent.
The 1% can make their own wage slaves.
Best decision of my life!
As it turns out most men and women aren't weird doomer weirdos who spend a considerable amount of their lives being miserable online. Most people want families, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Hard truth for folks to understand is people actually fuck because it's fun and a healthy part of a relationship.
This is what happens when you have no alternatives left to manage accidents and don't want to live like a nun or monk.
Oh they understand people fuck, and the people who want to ban abortion and contraception want people to have kids they didn't want for various reasons.
Not just that, it eliminates power and influence from women too. More drop outs, and more discrimination in job interviews.
The number of young men getting vasectomies also shot up, but men still get sterilized much less often than women.
I got mine in September. I'd kicked the can down the road for years but finally pulled the trigger largely because of Roe being overturned.
I was broke as hell and the vasectomy was going to cost $700.
I finally saved $700, and when I went in they said "shit dawg, you're broke as hell. Here is this program to make it free"
So even if you can't afford it, try reaching out to your local planned parenthood. They know how to navigate the benefit system better then you.
Hell yeah. I got mine done 5 years ago
The only reason I haven't is because I'm ace, so nothing's happening until I intentionally attempt for kids
I’ll admit that I’d never considered your situation before and feel that I have learned quite a lot very suddenly. Thank you.
I only recently started to realize that myself actually. Even growing up with LGBT+ folks exploding in visibility, it was always in the direction of allosexual folks. I grew up being conditioned to believe whatever I felt about sex should be ignored and that I should seek it out.
What I've realized is that I'm not sex-adverse like I assumed ace folks would be, I just don't care or think about it. I also don't get the hype around sex. That's also a valid asexual outlook. Some day I do want to be a dad though, so I need the very same family planning resources that are currently being chipped away.
Blows my mind that vasectomies are the less common procedure. Got mine done cheaply many years ago. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Partner got tubes done recently (so that insurance couldn't deny her for medically necessary hysterectomy later, what a dumb system we have) and she was miserably bedridden for quite a while, with the scars to prove it. Would have been expensive if she wasn't maxed for out-of-pocket already.
Anyone have a sane explanation?
Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
I get that reference, but also I'd like to support the statement. I've sat on my couch for 2-3 days, frozen peas in my lap and just took it slow. A week later I could barely tell that anything changed.
Toxic masculinity, all my friends that don't want to be convinced have the worst excuses possible but most times it's about not wanting to feel like a lesser man.
That's so bizare, since I swapped out to unleaded we fuck constantly and not worry about contraception. nothing makes you feel like more of a man than fucking raw dog every chance you get.
No offense but your friends sound stupid.
Lots of people are stupid.
In many ways, our society encourages such stupidity.
Getting your vas deferentia snipped is tight!
vas deferential
Maybe you're making a joke I don't get, but otherwise: It's called vas deferens
Women are treated as objects
I'd get a second vasectomy if I thought it would help. The first one was super easy.
I'm looking to reenter the dating pool in the near future and this has been on my mind, especially in light of Roe and my location in middle America. Would you be willing to share your personal experience with the procedure? Everyone says it's very easy, but I gotta be honest, it makes me nervous.
I was nervous before mine, but it wasn't bad at all. The worst part was the slight pinch in my balls when they gave me the local anesthetic. It took about fifteen minutes, and I walked out just fine.
I sat on the couch all weekend and watched action movies which was awesome. Ibuprofen was more than enough for the pain, and I was able to do light house work in a couple days.
Get some reviews of doctors in your area, but I would definitely recommend getting one if you don't want any kids.
Super easy. I had a post-op infection that prescription antibiotics cleared up np.
Don't consider it easily reversible. The doctors made it clear there's no guarantee
If you're nervous, they can knock you out for the procedure. You can't drive yourself though. And not just any driver will do. They need to be responsible for you. So no taxis. I had nobody to help me out, so I went for local anesthesia.
I cracked jokes, which they said was a common coping mechanism for nervous guys. The nurses laughed, but the doc kept a straight face and steady hand. A couple tiny needle pokes were unpleasant, as was the tugging on the vas deferens, but neither particularly painful. Afterward I drove myself home to play video games and get high for a weekend. A bit of soreness for a couple days, but nothing compared to what she would have endured. I went back to work before recommended, and also masturbated too soon, but suffered no ill effects.
7 years now, zero regrets.
Part of the reason why I am getting my daughters citizenship abroad. One day, I hope that day never ever comes, they might need it.
How do you plan on doing that?
My wife holds dual citizenship and her country has many ex-pats so they have right of return laws.
Next month we have an appointment with the embassy with her country as well as the interviews. I also have them in a class where they are learning the language of her country.
I'd get snipped if I thought for a moment that I'd be seen as sexually desirable ever again.
From experience you better do it while you're single instead of waiting until you're with someone and having to deal with the stress it will cause them when it becomes official...
Why wouldn’t you be?
It could only help.
If anybody read the study, which I highly doubt, you'll see that this story is highly exaggerated. The actually study showed the sterilization in women went from 2.83 per 100k people per month before Dobbs to 5.31 per 100k people per month after Dobbs. For men, the increase went from 1.03 per 100k people per month to 1.18 per 100k people per month.
Here's the study for anybody who wants to see it:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2817438
There is a visible increase, but the actual rate is a lot smaller than what this article is attempting to suggest.
I didn't read this article, so idk how they spun things, but given the title and the information you shared from the actual study, they sensationalized, not exaggerated. 5.31 is an 87% increase from 2.31, which is a rounding error off 2x. Honestly, in medical/psychological/anthropological/sociological studies the sigmas are never high enough for my comfort as a probabilist anyway.
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