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[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 59 points 11 months ago

Shit, y’all could’ve saved a ton of time and effort if you’d have just asked me; I’ve been saying this for years. And it’s only worse when you’re the one speck of blue in a red sea.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

It's one of those things that are obvious to reasonable people but it's nice to have proof for when you run into unreasonable people who deny it.

[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

i love getting scolded about voting when even if I personally managed to pull off a miracle and convert one thousand people to vote for biden, it wouldn't make a bit of difference.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

jUsT VoTE!!1!!11

As if voting for president makes any difference, when it’s the electoral college who makes the final decision. And they’ve proven in the past that they’ll do what they want.

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 41 points 11 months ago

The sudden spike coincides with the Citizens United and SpeechNow SCOTUS decisions.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's been trending for some time. Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" describes a host of national policies that were intensely disliked when they began and only became normalized after years of mass media manipulation.

The Drug Wars, opposition to the Civil Rights and Women's Rights movements, most of our wars after WW2, our large scale claw backs of social spending and ballooning security state budgets, our habit of subsidizing sports stadiums and toxic waste sites, etc - all need regular continued media investment for fear of a popular turn.

SCOTUS widened the spigots for political spending in pursuit of these goals. But it's not like the WSJ or AM Radio or the cable news companies weren't already flush with propaganda before the CU decision. It's not like CU was necessary for the volume of social media manipulation, either.

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[-] poorlytunedAstring@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

I understand that this is a doomer sub but man. When you manage to get away from all this social media bullshit for a while then try to poke your head in you realize how relentlessly negative it is at all times, because nobody wants to actually do anything about anything, including go the fuck outside and forget about it for a bit, and everyone with any ambitions of sanity leaves.

Could we start discussing credible strategies to reverse this situation, or at least improve that number somehow? Absolutely the fuck not, never, ever ever. The shit is very literally crazy, I don't know what I was trying to expect.

But this post is so much like the other posts on the rest of the site it took me a minute to notice where I was. Might as well stop acting like this is just one community, it's everything.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Could we start discussing credible strategies to reverse this situation, or at least improve that number somehow?

I say this constantly, and everyone nods along happily when I say it, but almost nobody does it. What is it? It's getting involved in your local politics.

The federal government, the US congress and senate and all the executive branch.... they're all supported and propped up by powerful institutions within the states that got powerful because nobody paid it any attention and still don't. People get elected to represent us who run without opposition and then we wonder why nothing seems to change.

If you get involved with knowing who in your neighborhood, your school district, your city, your county and your state represent you, and then challenging that representation in any way you can, from actually running all the way to just getting on those horrible neighborhood forums and holding yard-sales to get to know your neighbors.

GET TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS. Jesus, this country is terrible about this one huge thing that could change everything, which is reforming communities. We scream and cry how bad the world is and make ZERO effort to make it better by forming support systems within neighborhoods. I mean fuck, most suburban neighborhoods have nothing else to do, might as well have some bake sales and yard sales and jogging groups and other things to help get to know each other, right? Or has all our cynicism completely overshadowed any possible chance of ever forming friendly communities in the US?

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

I remember watching this nearly 6 years after release and how relevant it still was. It still is relevant. End Citizens United if you want to even begin to take our country back.

[-] Takina_sOldPairTM@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

MJ's "They Don't Care About Us", still relevant to the times.

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[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Duh? We know already know this. Their main concern is staying in office for as long as possible and see how badly they can fuck up the country.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 13 points 11 months ago

Duh? We know already know this. Their main concern is staying in office for as long as possible and see how ~~badly they can fuck up the country.~~ much they can grow their own bank accounts.

The destruction of the country is just a byproduct of their greed. :(

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Each congressperson represents too many people.

We need to add seats to the House of Representatives.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 8 points 11 months ago

Quintuple the number of seats in each district, use Sequential Proportional Approval Voting to elect the five members of each district.

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[-] yokonzo@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Abolish the electoral college

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago
[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

The fact that I'm 100% confident this will never happen, and absolutely needs to, convinced me to leave the states.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

It's been gaining in popularity among Democrats, but I can't fault you for not holding your breath.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Still voting in the states, mind you. Dual citizen 🥳

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

Idk why you're being downvoted for this. You're required to file with the IRS if you live and work abroad, you absolutely should be voting.

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[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This study is bunk.

Researchers critiquing the paper found that middle-income Americans and rich Americans actually agree on an overwhelming majority of topics. Out of the 1,779 bills in the Gilens/Page data set, majorities of the rich and middle class agree on 1,594; there are 616 bills both groups oppose and 978 bills both groups favor. That means the groups agree on 89.6 percent of bills.

That leaves only 185 bills on which the rich and the middle class disagree, and even there the disagreements are small. On average, the groups' opinion gaps on the 185 bills is 10.9 percentage points; so, say, 45 percent of the middle class might support a bill while 55.9 percent of the rich support it.

Bashir and Branham/Soroka/Wlezien find that on these 185 bills, the rich got their preferred outcome 53 percent of the time and the middle class got what they wanted 47 percent of the time.

https://www.vox.com/2016/5/9/11502464/gilens-page-oligarchy-study

^Inb4^ ^10^ ^downvotes^ ^and^ ^0^ ^replies.^

[-] Nimrod@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago

I think the fact that there are ~40% of bills that both rich and middle class Americans oppose is pretty solid proof that congress doesn’t give a shit about what American citizens want them to pass… or am i misinterpreting this?

[-] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Also, why the focus on rich and middle class? Is the vast majority of america not "lower"/working class? Edit: it seems like the entire conclusion of the study is based on the influence that money has in politics.

One thing that does have an influence? Money. While the opinions of the bottom 90% of income earners in America have a “statistically non-significant impact,” economic elites, business interests, and people who can afford lobbyists still carry major influence.

Of course if you focus only on people with money then you will come up with a conflicting result... so yeah. I also feel like I am missing something here.

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[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

This study is bunk.

No. It isn't.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

the rich got their preferred outcome 53 percent of the time and the middle class got what they wanted 47 percent of the time.

Okay, but there's a large third traunch of voters you're neglecting

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[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 20 points 11 months ago

And a lot of this comes from not fucking voting. I seriously wonder how things would be if voting was mandatory and everyone was given appropriate time off to do it.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

In Germany we only vote on Sundays and it's super easy, barely an inconvenience. We're still lucky when more than two thirds vote. People are in general are lazy and stupid.

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[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately, I think it's exactly the opposite. They don't have to do anything that people want to vote for them anyway.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago
[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

People on this website are understandably losing their minds because we've let this type of politics fester so much that the stakes are genuinely high this election cycle. But the stakes are only so high because we keep attempting the same thing over and over again. At this point, I'm not even advocating for a third party. I just want Democrats to do better instead of being less crappy than the other guys.

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

Sorry but mandatory vote solves nothing. You'll still have a lot of people alienate about politics and now they had to vote and they'll make their choices like a popularity contest.

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[-] Oisteink@feddit.nl 9 points 11 months ago

as long as they vote along party lines more than according to what the politicians do, number of votes does not improve this.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

You can vote for whichever politician you like, so long as it's AIPAC approved.

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Yeah, it's not like the public pays particularly well unlike bribery, I mean lobbying groups.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't think people realize how much graft is built into the system.

  • Bribery is near impossible to prove. (Thanks SCOTUS)
  • You can effectively keep left over campaign funds.
  • Insider trading does not apply to you.
  • Your paycheck is expected to cover 2 offices, staff at each, 2 homes, frequent travel between them, and your political advisors.
  • Fundraising is organized by the party, stay on their good side and you get help and resources to raise money. Introduced to the right people, etc. Get on the wrong side and get cut off.

It's no wonder our elected representatives treat small donations like mana from heaven, we're effectively paying them. And they treat the capitol building like a stock trading room because that's their real retirement fund, their key to independence from the party.

[-] S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 11 months ago

In the last 5 years alone, the 200 most politically active companies in the U.S. spent $5.8 billion influencing our government with lobbying and campaign contributions. Those same companies got $4.4 trillion in taxpayer support — earning a return of 750 times their investment.

An no one bats an eye... you should be rioting in the streets

[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

If we replaced first past the post voting with a more representative electoral system, we could inject competition into the electoral process.

Then maybe they would have to care.

[-] Jentu 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Representatives chosen by sortition like jury duty would be more representative compared to what we currently have, and that's such a wild thought.

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They don't like it if you tell them that you hope their family dies in a bloody revolution because they are were too cowardly to vote to convict Trump, though.

so i've heard

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[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

~stop voting for politicians who don’t align with your values and politics~

[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Oh man I'd love to, but with the current voting system and the two parties, it's between a shit sandwich and a shit sandwich with razors in it.

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[-] exanime@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

can we vote for imaginary politicians now?

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

yeah no fucking shit, can we stop pretending this system is effective or worth defending?

A Congressman is a hog! You must take a stick and hit him on the snout!

- Henry Adams, 1906

[-] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Yeah, no shit.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No one with power will ever pass laws to reduce their power, but a direct democracy would be very posible with modern technology.

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