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[-] Catoblepas 139 points 3 months ago

I have an in-law that’s a teacher, and she says it’s fucking crazy how radicalized some kids are. Her coworkers have dealt with 11 year old boys straight up telling female teachers they don’t have to listen to them because they’re women.

They’re apparently always talking about shithead influencers like Andrew Tate too, and the ones that aren’t down the pipeline are definitely still heavily exposed to the ideas. Real disturbing shit.

[-] toothpaste_sandwich@feddit.nl 74 points 3 months ago

Hoo boy there's a little tidbit I'd rather not know

[-] Catoblepas 58 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I’m hoping that it’s just the gen z/alpha version of an edgy atheist phase that they outgrow. For what it’s worth she also says a lot of kids are way more chill about LGBT students, including being respectful of pronouns.

[-] Drusas@kbin.run 30 points 3 months ago

My experience with teenage atheists is that they usually remain atheists into adulthood.

[-] Catoblepas 30 points 3 months ago

They (hopefully) outgrow the edgy part, though, was my point.

[-] Drusas@kbin.run 18 points 3 months ago

I think you might have picked the wrong topic, then. Atheism tends to be sincere and not just edgy.

[-] Catoblepas 16 points 3 months ago

I'm an atheist and that's why I specified the edgy part.

[-] Vittelius@feddit.de 7 points 3 months ago

But if they are edgy misogynists in their teens and then they outgrow the edgy part...

... Then we'll still have a bunch of misogynists on our hand, but now their beliefs are sincere rather than performative.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Really hard to take a niche religious belief seriously without a large dedicated community of fellow practitioners.

Like, if you're not regularly going to a church, there's no peer network or social reproduction. You might become "spiritual", but it's going to be some religion you invented in your own head that's divorced from any other formal setting. As likely as a non-athletic teenager suddenly becoming a baseball professional.

Organized religion is as much about the organization as the religion.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 21 points 3 months ago

At least for atheism there's a non-edgy, civilized version. For whatever this is, I don't think you can make it more palatable without just throwing out the entire mindset

[-] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 14 points 3 months ago

Us former edgy atheists didn't go back to church (mostly)

[-] Zink@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago

It’s probably not an uncommon thing for us adult atheists to have been curious children and edgy teenagers.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Yeah but reminds me of 21 jump street (film). Asshole bullies will just use "why you hate my gay friend?" as the new excuse to pick a fight.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

We really should have taken the criticisms of television a million times more seriously. Also environmental concerns, but, i digress.

[-] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I really think the left have lost a whole ass generation and don't even realize it.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

Nah, some of have been calling out right wing propaganda and the impact it's having on the political scene for a while now. And it's not just teens. Right wing propaganda has infested the left as well, to the point where you still have people repeating confirmed propaganda from the 2016 election because they've internalized it and can't let it go.

It's not that the left has bad messaging or unpopular ideas, it's that there are a ton of cynics under the big tent. Cynics who actively poison outreach efforts because they are intellectually lazy, but love their own farts.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Her coworkers have dealt with 11 year old boys straight up telling female teachers they don’t have to listen to them because they’re women.

That's hardly new. Obnoxious pre-teens finding any excuse to rebel are just a hazard of middle school life.

Andrew Tate's brand of misogyny is the thing YouTube loves to promote in between Spider-Man Vaccinating Pregnant Elsa and Hysterical Child Unboxing videos. But if it wasn't him, it could just as easily be Blink-182 lyrics or kids immitating what they saw in a Caillou episode.

[-] MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 57 points 3 months ago

I just found out the lady who cuts my dogs hair is a groomer. You just never know who you're dealing with I guess.

[-] PopShark@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

:D*

*emoticon used because the joke is funny NOT because of the implications of what the joke meant. Results may vary restrictions apply call your lawyer before making bold statements have a nice day

[-] Bgugi@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

This emoticon caused uneven tire wear! I'm suing!

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[-] bolexforsoup 39 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don’t disagree with any particular point - Christo-fascism is on the rise and it’s terrifying - but specifically the nazis were very much anti-church and thus anti-ten commandments lol

[-] wickedtruth@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago

No, no, he is right. Republican and Nazi are the same side of the coin.

To quote Hitler "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian."
Speech in Passau 27 October 1928

[-] bolexforsoup 15 points 3 months ago

Republican and nazi are the same side of the coin

No argument here

[-] geissi@feddit.de 10 points 3 months ago

Not to weigh in on one side or the other but the Nazis claimed a lot of things.
That they were socialists, that Poland had attacked Germany...
I wouldn't rely on what they said.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Hitler also told a lot of people they were part of the movement. Then the Night of The Long Knives happened. He was meth addict willing to say whatever he needed to say.

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[-] Tyfud@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

The Nazis were very much Christian. Claiming otherwise is distorting the facts.

[-] bolexforsoup 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The nazi party espoused its own distinct, schismatic form of Christianity as it repressed Catholics and Protestants across the country. I am NO defender of the church but to act like churches/institutions weren’t attacked during that era is revisionist history. They were absolutely repressed, if certainly nowhere near as severely as Judaism was (which “repressed” doesn’t even come close to covering).

[-] Tyfud@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

So, they were attacking other religious sects and churches that were different than their specific version of Christianity?

That sounds like Christianity to me.

Just because it wasn't the form of Christianity we recognize today, doesn't mean it wasn't a valid religious movement. Sure, it specifically helped the Nazi party, but all the pieces of the puzzle to create their christo-fascist state were there for them to put together.

And they used Christianity to do it. Saying otherwise is being disingenuous and revisionist. They espoused Christianity. They espoused the teachings of Jesus. They claimed moral superiority just like every other religion does.

Sure, they used it to attack other religions to set theirs up as the state religion, but that doesn't make it less like Christianity. Just a form that doesn't exist today.

Repressing other religions is a cornerstone of most religions, including Christianity. To say otherwise is invoking apologetics.

[-] bolexforsoup 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Look we can be flippant about how evil organized religion is or we can discuss history. We can’t just vacillate between the two and expect a productive discussion. Major Christian institutions were attacked by the nazi party/hitler. This is historical fact. Whether or not they branded themselves as Christian or even were Christian doesn’t change that fact. They went after both Catholic and Protestant institutions across the country. Many clergy were arrested and/or killed. This is history, not another proxy battle for “church bad.”

I mean the nazi party had “socialist” in its name. Would it not be pretty reductionist of me to say “they were socialist”?

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago

To understand nazis religion it is important to understand religion in germany.

Back in the day, and today is similar in former west Germany, Germany had a fairly even split between catholicism and protestantism.

So the nazi party taking a strong religious dogma either way would had been very harmful towards their objectives, as half the population could refuse to follow a catholic/protestant movement. That's why their leader and the party didn't really seemed to take a strong religious stance. But at the end they were linked to the conservative values that are associated with religion. And his allies, Spain and Italy. Both formed fascist dictatorships very linked with the Catholic church, being their countries homogeneous in that aspect. In fact Spanish dictatorship is often refered as national-catholicism, and Mussolini had full support from the Vatican and the Pope.

At the end fascism, in whichever form and name it takes, tend to link with conservative values that are usually also linked with religion. The nazi party being just an exception due Germany particular religion situation.

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[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago

fear of imaginary things, eg: god, is always more potent than any fear of living breathing mortal men, no matter how monstrous they are.

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[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

I'll be the first to admit that there is a huge overlap between evangelicals (who pushed this initiative) and racist/fascist pieces of shit - but the ten commandments in and of themselves have no link to nazi-ism. :p

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 months ago

but the ten commandments in and of themselves have no link to nazi-ism

Yeah nahhh, like the Buddhist symbol was co-opted by the Germans, the commandments are used as a dog whistle by fascists now.

If it was about being Christian they would have used the Beatitudes (words of Christ) not the commandments. If it was about being chest thumping American they'd put the cononsitiution there, speration of church and state etc.

We know WHY they don't use the Beatitudes, because theae fuckers are as close to being Christian as Hitler was to being Buddhist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes

Gandhi's famous quote summarizes whats so wrong with Christians doing stupid shit like pinning 10 Commandments to the wall, they have little resemblance to Christ

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ - Mohandas Gandhi

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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago

I generally consider the (non-theist) Commandments to generally be generally good rules to live by.

I have to say the non-theist rules because several of them are about God and religion.... Like, having no other gods before [him], not taking the Lord's name in vain, the whole idols thing....

If you take all that theist stuff out, you basically get: don't lie, steal, cheat, or kill, don't covet others stuff, and respect your mother and father.

Pretty decent rules overall. At the very least, a good starting point.

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[-] PopShark@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Copy/Paste of an actual message I sent to my friend earlier today:

“You know if chemicals in rainwater were actually making frogs homosexual my family wouldn’t have such a problem every year with tadpoles in our swimming pool cover muck lol”

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 months ago

Because it's not in rainwater, it's in runoff from cities and dairy farms. The chemicals in question are basically synthetic estrogens and their metabolites and frogs are just more sensitive to those in the environment than mammals.

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[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago

That's not true, I actually am trying to turn your kids gay because I know it makes you mad.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

And the best projectors.

[-] librejoe@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Actually it's not turning them gay, it's turning them into transgender Nazis, which is a word soup I didn't think I'd ever say in my life.

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Source: Wikipedia

Maybe tell these groomers that Zionism and White supremacy have broken every commandment except for commandment 1 (and one could argue the Trinity and atheism breaks that commandment depending on view of the debater).

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