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Aren't people sick of war? The last thing I would want is another war tearing my country apart. Lebanon has had terrible things happen to it in the past. Just...chill. Nothing good will come from war.
yeah bro. The lebanese should totally just chill when the israeli tanks come rolling through
Would you just... chill if your country got invaded?
The problem is that for some people, the only option is violence.
There is a very real chance that Biden's unquestioning support of Israel will lead to WW3.
Bibi knows whatever happens, Biden will always have his back. He can't get that loyalty from any other US president, he's counting on every other country recognizing that, but with the way Israel is acting they all assume Israel won't stop with their current victims.
It's stand together now, or watch each other fall slowly.
WW3? I highly doubt it. More just a continuation of the proxy wars from the Cold War.
But yes I agree the continued support is idiotic to say the least. BUT it's not just Biden, the felonious cheetoh said he'd support Israel too. The only criticism I can find from him is that Israel shouldn't be broadcasting all these images of war because its "Bad PR":
“I don’t know why they released wartime shots like that. I guess it makes them look tough. But to me, it doesn’t make them look tough,” Trump continued. “They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.” https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/04/trump-israel-gaza-war-00150577
Its a lose/lose scenario with Israel
This isn't happening in a vacuum.
Hezbollah and Russia have a defense treaty with some others like Iraq and Iran. Russia and NK just signed one.
Russia is losing in Ukraine, and none of the countries next to Israel can stand against a US backed Israel.
WW2 was because some minor dude got shot and treaties pulled everyone in. What's going on now could definitely make WW3 pop off, it doesn't take much historically
TIL WW2 started with the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
WW1 set the stage for WW2 to be fair. 2 as we know it wouldn't have happened without 1.
I suppose if WW1 hadn't happened, we wouldn't have called it WW2.
I do think he confused 1 and 2 when he wrote that statement though. I actually think 2 wouldn't have happened at all without the effects of 1.
And the Wars of the Roses (amongst other things) set the stage for WW1. That's just cause and effect, not some sort of profundity.
It's not profound, it's what I learned in middle school.
Okay, but that's all of history. One thing leads to another. The problem is, you can't say what would have happened if things went differently.
Would there have been no Nazi party if World War I never happened? Was Hitler's rise to power in part due to his experiences in World War I and the economic crisis Germany was put in due, in part, to World War I? We have no way of knowing.
Maybe if Victoria and Albert hadn't married, World War I would still have happened, but been even worse because there would have been even greater enmity between the British and the Germans. We can't know. The best we can do is write speculative fiction.
Good thing I wasn't grabbing all of history in my statement then, just 2 plot points.
Did you not read past the first paragraph? Everything else I wrote was about WWI and WWII. I literally talked about Hitler.
Do you get off on acting like this at every chance? And yes I did
Okay, then why did you say:
Good thing I wasn’t grabbing all of history in my statement then, just 2 plot points.
When I was literally discussing those two plot points?
I'll paste what I said again. Maybe you'll have a legitimate response to it?
Would there have been no Nazi party if World War I never happened? Was Hitler’s rise to power in part due to his experiences in World War I and the economic crisis Germany was put in due, in part, to World War I? We have no way of knowing.
Maybe if Victoria and Albert hadn’t married, World War I would still have happened, but been even worse because there would have been even greater enmity between the British and the Germans. We can’t know. The best we can do is write speculative fiction.
Because you said that's "all of history", it's not like I'm trying to link Christopher Columbus to 9/11 here. I even stated the dude mixed the wars up in another comment thread.
So you're not going to respond to what I have now said to you twice. I see.
As I said in the beginning it was not anything profound, don't know what your trying to make this into but I'll nip it now. Welcome to the list
He can't get that loyalty from any other US president
Literally all evidence points to the opposite of this being true Lol
What?
Pretty sure every US president since Israel was invented has had to check Israel at some point.
Biden has spent 50 years saying he never will, and publicly shit talked Obama when he was VP and Obama had to check them...
It's possible trump didn't, but are you really saying he's as reliable as Joe Biden?
If trump ever realizes someone needs him, he bleeds them for everything they have...
Or are you saying Biden has been lying for 50 years, has a line, and genocide just doesn't cross it?
Pretty sure every US president since Israel was invented has had to check Israel at some point.
Explain why you're sure of this. American support for Israel is constant and extremely well entrenched. Every time the Israel PM shows up to Congress it turns into a contest to see who can suck his dick The most. The administration doesn't matter. American support for Israel ranges from absolute material support with absolute political support, to absolute material support and only lukewarm political support. In both cases material support is unaffected.
Instead, they said Biden has noted, Obama publicly admonished Israel’s actions and voiced concern for Palestinian civilian deaths early into the 2014 conflict. As a result, Biden has argued, Obama squandered any ability to influence the Israeli government as it invaded Gaza, said the people familiar with his comments.
Now, I don't want to find something for every president, and I already explained why trump is uniquely unreliable in pretty much every possible way.
But if you wanted to name any other single president, I can put the legwork in for another.
I do want to point I said "pretty sure" meaning I wasn't completely sure, so not sure why you came back with
Explain why you’re sure of this
Instead, they said Biden has noted, Obama publicly admonished Israel’s actions and voiced concern for Palestinian civilian deaths early into the 2014 conflict. As a result, Biden has argued, Obama squandered any ability to influence the Israeli government as it invaded Gaza, said the people familiar with his comments.
And actual material support was affected how?
Now, I don't want to find something for every president, and I already explained why trump is uniquely unreliable in pretty much every possible way.
You definitely didn't. American support for Israel is so well entrenched that is has actual strategic depth. That includes ensuring that the political path of least resistance is to support Israel absolutely, so Trump does. It's just easiest. All you've done is look at words with no actual action behind them . All material support has remained completely stable.
Are you implying that Hezbollah and Iran threatening to attack Israel is Israel and Joe Biden's fault?
I'm saying if Israel didn't have unconditional support from America, they wouldn't be causing so much drama.
They're the bully that picks on kids when the teacher is in the room, knowing the teacher will always take their side.
Biden is the teacher letting it happen.
Except in this scenario the bullying is a fucking genocide.
And you're blaming another kid for standing up to the bully, and can't figure out why the teachers actions are a problem. Is it Biden's fault Israel is a bully? No, but it's his fault the bully gets to do whatever they want, and is acting like it
You hold no other country responsible the way you hold the US
This is a sovereign nation. When Russian and Chinese funds fuel death in Africa and South East Asia you care not.
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You hold no other country responsible the way you hold the US
It's the only nation I can vote in...
And we're providing munitions for them to commit genocide against the laws of my country and international law...
Why shouldn't I care?
What can I do about Israel directly?
And what aren't you understanding about that? It's pretty simple: try to change what's possible for you to change
Can we stand together over here. I don't want to stand next to you.
By "stand together," OP means "stand together while we watch them march the trans people into concentration camps and this war happens regardless after Trump wins because we refuse to vote for Biden."
You can stick your head in sand at the beach, but with climate change the tides may be unpredictable.
But I thought when I typed this:
It’s stand together now, or watch each other fall slowly
I thought it was clear I was talking about the countries unfortunate enough to share a border with a country ruled by a power hungry madman actively invading other countries.
With the way this is splitting, both sides are going to have at least one.
Geopolitically speaking, there's no "good side" which I guess history is like when you're unfortunate enough to live thru it.
From the thumbnail, we see in the left area many dudes dressed in dark fatigues, with sand-colored balaclavas that match the color of their faces.
They look like bald Harkonen fascists from the recent Dune films.
Lol where are those people supporting Hezbollah in the comments? Sounds like crickets again.
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