Lenin : memes

[-] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] CHINESEBOTTROLL@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

countries in which the Dictatorship of the Proletariat failed to cede power to the working class and establish a socialist economic structure

Oh, so like every single other place that tried to implement that deranged system? Thank you for this very important distinction.

[-] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

It's so very capitalist to look at failed attempts to escape capitalism which were sabotaged by capitalists as indication that the need to rebel is the problem.

[-] gxgx55@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Failing to account for greed for power some people have is in itself a fatal flaw, to be honest. Anyone who advocates for the exact same actions and glorifies the USSR knows what they are doing, they're hoping to come out on top after their desired revolution. Unfortunately, there are plenty of those kinds of people on this platform...

[-] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Are Leftists advocating for the exact same actions as the USSR, or are Capitalists gaslighting the ignorant into believing they are?

[-] gxgx55@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

No, I'm just saying tankie infestations are so widespread and loud that they have a decent amount of leverage on what the average person thinks of communism, and tankie opposing leftists are either not loud enough, or not numerous enough.

[-] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Victim blaming.

[-] phobiac@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Out of curiosity, how do you think governments in large capitalist economies (such as the US) properly account for greed for power and keep it in check? Do you think they are doing a good job on that front?

[-] gxgx55@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Poorly, but not worse than a dictatorship(such as the USSR).

What's your point?

[-] phobiac@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

You might want to turn that incredibly critical eye you've got for communism back in on capitalism, that's all.

[-] gxgx55@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I... am?

What is this, I am against dictatorial abominations, so that means I am in favor of capitalist abuse? I am literally saying that opposition to capitalism is shooting itself in the foot by tolerating the existence of authoritarian "communists".

Unless you're an actual tankie, your words towards me make no sense.

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[-] CHINESEBOTTROLL@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

failed attempts

They didn't fail. I mean you can criticize the ussr, but it was not capitalist

which were sabotaged by capitalists

What a weird thing to say. The USSR had sovereign control over the largest country in the world by far + a lot of allies. The capitalists can't even get rid of north Korea. Its not the capitalists, the system is just shit

the need to rebel is the problem

I mean its fine to rebel, but if your goal is communism I will bet on another case of "tHatS nOT rEaL coMMUnIsM"

[-] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Communism doesn't include a hierarchy of power enforced by violence. The two concepts are antithetical. The USSR was somewhere between capitalism and fascism.

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[-] Gxost@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

So-called "dictatorship of proletariat" was simply a terror. Lots of philosophers and religious elite was killed just because they weren't compatible with communist ideology. Rich peasants who didn't even use others labor were either robbed or killed. Peasants lost their land and had to work for the country. People got killed just because some anonyms told they did something bad. I know this because it happened to my ancestors. My grand-grandfather lost his house, communists left only one room for his family. His friends, all good people, dissapeared. His daughters never played with neighbor's kids because of fear. My other grand-grandfather lost land and two horses. His brother was killed for not agreeing to give away his house. And my another grand-grandfather was killed because an anonymous letter. He was communist and thought he was safe as he did nothing wrong. His kids couldn't get education because they were "children of the enemy of the people". Much later my grandfather got a paper concluding that execution of his father was a mistake. It was horrible time, and lots of people thought the ones who were killed were "pests" or "enemies of the people", so killing them was good and beneficial for the society.

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Technically, none of these countries experienced "communism". They experienced tankie-led hell holes. Never trust a tankie. They'll ally with you to fight for "the people" and then stab you in the back when they get a taste of power and don't need you anymore.

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 37 points 1 year ago

None of the lower countries had communism.

[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

You can argue if they had sunshine scenario communism all day, but they certainly was under the oppressive thumb of USSR.

[-] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 25 points 1 year ago

Do not feed the troll. Strange fellas, lying on the internet, arbitrarily defining communism to suit their rose-colored ideology is no basis for a system of debate.

True debate stems from a knowledge of history, past events and conditions that led to them, not some farcical comment (as the one you are replying to).

If I went around in communist times claiming I knew what Marxism-Leninism was just because I read a manifesto, they'd send the secret police after me.

[-] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

You are right, I just couldn't help it the bait was too great.

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[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago

I didn't say anything about communism being good or bad there, just that none of those countries ever lived under communism.

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

No true communistman.

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[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

True Communism is impossible to sustain in the real world. it requires someone unimpeachable at its head. It affords too much power and no accountability to those in charge. Even if it were to start out well, sooner or later corruption would seep in. Communism is impossible while human greed exists

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago

There would be no one "in charge". Communism and anarchy go hand in hand.

human greed

This is the lie that we have been fed all of our lives under capitalism. It's so ingrained in us that some of us can't even imagine a world of helping each other thrive instead of exploiting each other.

[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

And yet, whenever communism is tried, a tyrant rises to the top.

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

...which means that it isn't communism. Come on, try to keep up.

[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Exactly, Which brings us back to my initial point... True communism is impossible... try to keep up...

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

You didn't say true communism is impossible, you said true communism is impossible to sustain. Why are you moving the goalpost instead of just taking the L? Lol

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[-] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 14 points 1 year ago

Capitalism is impossible to sustain in the real world. It's literally killing the planet which will result in the extinction of the human race.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago

Yup, countries run by fascists hate communism.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Russia seems fine with it though

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said.

But I'm sure it's because it's aCkhUaLly fAscIsT

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

So are we discussing countries were fascists live in or run by fascists? Because Russia is 100% the latter

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

You used so many words to tell us you don't know what fascism is. Another victim of western education system.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

More like, another victim of living next to Russia

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Plenty of people live next to Russia just fine last I checked.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Check in Ukraine

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[+] ricecake@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] Noughmad@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago

France never experienced communism?

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[-] CthulhuOnIce@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

People in the comments with a completely fictionalized idea of Lenin as some kind of libertarian hippie who hated Stalin's "authoritarianism" vs people in the comments with a completely fictionalized idea of Lenin as a "counterrevolutionary" (lol) or despot

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[-] neuracnu@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

The photo of the USA Lenin statue isn't accurate. It resides in the Fremont neighborhood in Seattle, where it frequently has its hands and body splashed with red paint to represent the blood on Lenin's hands.

Just do an image search for it or check it out on google maps streetview.

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[-] zbych@szmer.info 10 points 1 year ago

This statue in Poland was few weeks long artist performance made few years ago near place, where Lenin's statue standed in Nowa Huta until 1989.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Hmm, why do these fascist anti-communist regimes that the US propped up hate Lenin?

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[-] GCostanzaStepOnMe@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Wtf I love capitalism now

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