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"Unidentified"? More like "Don't ask, don't tell" (sh.itjust.works)

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[-] Mewtwo 119 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's definitely other life out there, but given a basic understanding of space and light speed travel, there is a zero chance we've made contact with non Earth life. The government has a direct benefit in claiming aliens or UFOs when testing their super military tech so our enemies are mislead on our militaries capabilities.

Like when trump posted a classified satellite image. Our population and all other governments had no idea we were capable of such clear satellite surveillance.

[-] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

there is a zero chance we've made contact with non Earth life

Yeah! Because heavier than air flight is impossible, and there's no way aliens could hold enough helium to fly to another planet!

(Our ideas about what is possible change as our technology advances)

[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People tend to misapply this argument frequently. It is definitely a bit excessive to say there is zero chance, but still.

It's less about what is possible, and more about what is likely. Our understanding of physics (and by extension, reality) is extremely advanced. There isn't much that is going to surprise us going forward. Even relativity and quantum theory didn't make Newtonian mechanics obsolete, they simply covered the fringe cases.

I just hate when people imply that we might suddenly learn that we were completely wrong about everything. It's dismissive of the scientists who have given their lives to bring humanity to this level of understanding the universe.

[-] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Well, cutting edge science currently suggests spacetime is an illusion, so I think antireal science might have some interesting places to go as far as FTL travel. But we don't need FTL travel to talk to new forms of life, because there are sentient nonhuman species on Earth, and they speak English.

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[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

I think when people imply we might suddenly learn that we were completely wrong about everything they are actually talking about how fast science seems to evolve these days, at the very least the public's understanding of science.

I have coworkers with who i can talk about 3+ dimensions, quantum mechanics, time travel, uap and while none of us are experts in any of those fields it no longer feels like we should be wearing a tinfoil hat simply for being fascinated by such topics because we now understand these are real (nuanced) scientific topics and not "something from the movies".

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[-] corq@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's okay to be 'wrong' in science within the observable world, much of Newton's theories were rendered nearly obsolete by Einstein, but Newtonian physics was "good enough" until technology improved, and was "good enough" for most of his generation and later:

"While general relativity has been more precise, Newtonian gravity is still incredibly accurate and can be used for simpler situations. General relativity uses complex calculus that makes it difficult to compute. But Einstein has opened up the world to more complex physics, like black holes and gravitational waves that continue to develop our understanding of the universe. " https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/educators/programs/cosmictimes/educators/workshops/docs/InquiringIntoNatureUniverse/Newton_Einstein_FactCards.pdf

Epistemology allows for us to work within the framework of knowledge we currently have until something better is proven to be the case.

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[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

If an alien civilization was developed by the same survival mechanism as on earth, they'd value survival and expansion over things like discovery. So if an alien civilization had gotten to earth, it'd be advanced enough to have strip minded or taraformed the whole planet by now. And why wouldn't they, since we'd be the intelligence of ants comparatively

[-] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Well I'm a Star Trek fan, and I'm optimistic that maybe the community between the stars is less narrow minded than the people on Earth today

Maybe climate change is the reason why. It's a great filter that requires long term thinking and global cooperation to overcome. Maybe all the species similar to modern humanity end up polluting themselves back to the stone age and have to try again.

[-] Dark_Blade@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It’s probably not the only Filter either. As soon as we’ve passed the ‘climate’ filter, we’ll presumably have to deal with something else.

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[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Why would they strip mine earth when there are so many other planets around? There's no point

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[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 36 points 1 year ago

On the contrary, I'd recommend looking up the Fermi paradox. It exists because if we assume that ftl is impossible, both in a literal and effective sense, a civilization with the capability of long-range subluminal travel would still have the ability to colonize the galaxy within a few million years.

Now, you might be tempted to think, "okay, so a few million years from now is when we'll start seeing them", but that's assuming they took as long as we did to evolve intelligence. If I'm not mistaken, there's some speculation that dinosaurs were a significant contributor to delaying the rise of mammals, and those were around for over 100 million years. What if a civilization skipped the "oppressed by giant lizard-birds" stage? The result is that they'd potentially be millions of years ahead of us technologically.

Also, because I regularly see this question pop up in any conversation involving aliens,

"why would they come to our world? They've probably got everything they want!"

Why does a human want to explore the ocean? Why does a human want to explore space? Curiosity. Maybe they want to see it for themselves instead of looking at pictures that their friends posted on Spacebook. Maybe we're small and adorable to them. There are plenty of reasons why they might check our world out that don't involve conquest, genocide, slavery or other symptoms of rampant capitalism and authoritarianism.

[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Why would they send a probe to inspect ships from a visible distance? They could fulfill all their curiosity from lightyears away

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[-] dandelo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Fermi Paradox is based on our understanding of physics, largely based in a 3 dimensional universe/reality. If these things are inter-dimensional, do those same rules apply?

What if physical distance, as we perceive it, is something unique to us as beings that perceive and navigate the universe in only 3 dimensions?

[-] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Swarms of von Neumann probes traveling at 0.1c would cover the galaxy in a very short timeframe...in galactic terms.

It also makes zero sense to test craft in a navy training range.

[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

What would the point of that be? Just because something is possible doesn't mean it'll be done.

And do probes flying around in navy training ranges make sense? If they wanted to be visible they would be. If they wanted to hide there wouldn't be footage of them.

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[-] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

bruh you can use an old DishNetwork and a cyberdeck to download those satellites images directly from the comfort of your home. also wierd satellite stationz

secrecy by obscurity of knowledge i believe it is called

[-] astropenguin5@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

From classified spy satellites? No shot. Unclassified stuff maybe, or civilian satellites. But anything military and/or classified is going to be encrypted, so unless you know the key you may be able to intercept the data but not make an image.

[-] loklan@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Nah, you can get images from weather satellites this way, they broadcast unencrypted/with old encryption that has been broken.

Ain't nobody getting a feed from a modern GIS sat, let alone an actual spy sat.

[-] Saracha@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Do you have any links for this? That sounds fascinating but my Google fu is failing me right now.

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[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago

The government has a direct benefit in claiming aliens or UFOs when testing their super military tech so our enemies are mislead on our militaries capabilities.

They technically are UFOs. They are objects, they fly, and they are unidentified.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

They're not really unidentified. Someone knows what they are, just not us.

[-] UlrikHD@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

That logic would apply to alien spaceships too though

[-] Sightline@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"zero chance"

Here we go with absolutes again.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

[-] bric@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

These are the sorts of things where the line between zero and practically zero gets blurry, so people feel the need to emphasize that it might not be zero. Like, the chances of me finding a winning lottery ticket on the street without buying one might not technically zero, but the odds are low enough that not only is it not going to be part of my financial plan, but I also don't feel the need to justify why.

The odds of hyper drive aliens being on earth is zero. There might be an error bar on that number, but it doesn't practically matter

[-] CoffeeBlood91@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

I still vote we are some sort of experiment for aliens to observe, and have been under the microscope as they watched us evolve from primal creatures to the death of the world as we advance with our destructive technologies.

[-] Psythik@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One thing that doesn't sit right with me is the fact that galaxies cluster together in similar ways that neurons do. Reminds me of how individual ants are just one cog in a collective hivemind. We're all just ants doing our part to power a giant alien's brain.

At least that's the answer to life, the universe, and everything that I'm going with. It also explains multiverses. Multiple aliens, all living in their own society. Maybe their universe is the same. Just brains inside of brains inside of brains. Who knows how deep it goes.

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[-] sockinacock@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Personally my money's on we're one of the first, or our solar system is the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone of the galaxy and anybody who gets too close melts.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

I still believe that the image being posted was 100% planned by the powers to be to show we have the ability to do it.

[-] LeadSoldier@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

In the intelligence field this is known as a bad move.

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[-] EherVielleicht@feddit.de 69 points 1 year ago

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

She’s wearing the cat from the original meme.

[-] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Kamala energy ⚡

[-] RushingSquirrel@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

That's a few references I've seen regarding aliens today. I'm feeling out of the loop, would anyone explain?

[-] fist_of_fartitude@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 year ago

A former intel officer testified to a house committee that the US has had a UFO retrieval program for years, and that we've recovered non-human "biologics" from the crash sites. He has no direct knowledge of anything, by his own admission, but he's willing to provide more detail to congress in a secure facility.

I'll keep the possibility open, I guess, but it sounds like absolute bullshit for a variety of reasons.

[-] Ser_Salty@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago

Those aliens must be really shit pilots if they keep crashing on Earth

[-] fist_of_fartitude@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 year ago

Imagine developing interstellar travel and not taking the time to teach you guys how to drive.

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[-] quixoticWoodpecker@mander.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Alien drunk drivers 👽🍺

[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

They make it however many billions of miles out here to Earth and then crash on the planet. How embarrassing for them.

[-] tyrefyre@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Like that dog the Russians sent up? That would be nonhuman.

[-] fist_of_fartitude@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Hitting a pasture and landing in cow shit would account for "non-human biologics." I'm incredibly skeptical.

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[-] docmark@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The U.S. recently passed a law requiring the government to start disclosing all known(lol) information on UFOs/UAPs. The first congressional hearing was yesterday but was basically a verbal redacted/censored CIA document from the 60s.

About half of what was asked was responded with "I can't say in public."

[-] Offlein@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

passed a law

Are you sure?

[-] camr_on@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/senate-amendment/797/all-info#actions

I believe it's this amendment to the funding bill that was passed yesterday. Unless there was another bill I'm not aware of

[-] TubeTalkerX@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

The Shitpisser, the Pride of the fleet!

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