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[-] MurrMurr@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Not sure if mentioned in reddit since I dont go there but this originates from a web comic http://sssscomic.com

It is pretty cool comic, check it out

[-] funbreaker 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

ETA: context lol

Stand Still Stay Silent is bleak as fuck but I ended up loving it because of Lalli and Reynir

Sadly, ended in 2022 because the author decided "Chick Tracts but cute" (it's called Lovely People if you're curious/crazy enough to check it out) was a better use of her time. 😔

[-] Stamau123@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

2022 update: Since SSSS has now ended you'll be able to find me and my future comic projects through. my personal artist website. I might remember to update this spot once I start my next larger comic project (which will certainly be very influenced by my newfound Christian outlook on life and meaning.)

Oh, fuck, no you were serious

[-] funbreaker 3 points 2 years ago

I'm very sorry you had to find out this way

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 22 points 2 years ago

Fun fact, despite being more closely related, German is considered somewhat harder to learn for English speakers than Romance languages (Spanish, French, Italian, Romanian). Due to historical events, conquests, migration, etc, more than half of our vocabulary derives from Latin (and a good chunk of that is from French).

[-] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

OK, maybe I'm wrong, but that seems to be a MASSIVE miscomprehension of the relationship between West Germanic and olde French.

In fact, modern German is arguably EASIER to learn for English-speakers due to all the common grammar and sentence structure.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 years ago

I'm just going by the FSI rankings. Romance languages are "Category 1" necessitating 600-750 class hours. German is "Category 2" needing 900 hours.

I think vocabulary is more important anyhow, if you know the words you can piece together the meaning even if it's in a strange order. If you don't, the order doesn't really matter at all.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

disagree with your last point. you need to know the basic rules to use the words you know. but rules aren't as numerous as all the words, so you usually get grammar out of the way and it's all about vocabulary.

one thing about german though is that even vocabulary is more complicated because every noun comes with an article you need to memorize as well, in less intuitive ways than romance languages.

[-] cucumber_sandwich@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

How is the article less intuitive than in romance languages? They both have fairly arbitrary attributions.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

in most languages I'm familiar with there are two (masculine and feminine) and you can usually tell which ones are feminine because of the construction of the word. German has this to a degree with feminine words, but it's not that consistent and the das/der distinction is, well, not even there. feels completely random to an outsider like me.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 years ago

Sure but IMO understanding a language is a bigger and more important part of language learning than speaking. Being able to understand far, far, better than you can speak is very common among language learners. You need a foundation to draw upon before you can really effectively speak. And by then you'll usually have gotten at least the very basics of the grammar down.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

i think it's the other way though. you'll understand a language better once you have the basics of grammar down. that's the foundation. and you learn words as you go along. that's why auto-translation between languages that aren't grammatically similar is so tough. the software has all the words, but it's not easy to figure out the grammar so they can't always make sense of sentences (or worse, they can often get the opposite meaning).

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 years ago

I mean you have a point but I still think a language with very different grammar but similar vocabulary is going to be miles easier than one with similar grammar but a small shared vocabulary.

And in my experience learning Spanish through basically just listening to it (a bit oversimplified, but I never have studied grammar nor have been explicitly taught vocab nor had translation) I picked up on the meaning through words way before I had any confidence in grammar. Of course I was getting a feel for the grammar the whole way little by little though.

[-] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 9 points 2 years ago

Old world except for most of the world

[-] anguo@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Its from a post-apocalyptic comic taking place somewhere in Scandinavia.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

i was gonna say the same thing but to be fair the image itself is properly titled: this is a guide to nordic languages in their old world families.

[-] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 2 points 2 years ago

I was just going by the post title rather than what's in the image.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

yeah, that's why i said i was going to say the same thing, but the image itself is specifying the scope so I wanted to clarify.

[-] tfowinder@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

Almost half of them are spoken in single country India.

[-] Bell@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago
[-] Glowstick@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

From Wikipedia:

Latin is a classical language belonging to the Italic branch of the Indo-European languages.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin

[-] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

It's basically the thick romance branch.

[-] blackbrook@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago
[-] Whimseymimple@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

This is from an online comic called Stand Still, Stay Silent. Year 0 is the year, well, the year everything changed for the Nordic countries.

It's a gorgeous story, for any who might be interested!

https://sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=1

[-] Whimseymimple@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Here's the full original comic page of the map:

https://sssscomic.com/comic.php?page=196

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
[-] blackbrook@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

I thought of that but, no, that tree includes languages that didn't exist then.

[-] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

Ahh, yes, the Albanian Albanian branch is my personal favourite.

[-] JayDee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Fun Fact: I believe that one running hypothesis relating to the origin of the Indo-European Languages traces its lineage back to the Yamnaya culture. 'Yamnaya' in Russian ('Я́мная') translates to "relating to pits", because some of the most noteable artifacts of this culture are their pit burial sites.

I'm still reading about them atm.

[-] mint_tamas@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

What is the accent on Я? (I’m a beginner Russian student and never cane across that so far)

[-] JayDee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago
[-] mint_tamas@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks, but I’m specifically asking about Я̀ vs Я. I’ve never seen the variant with an accent before and the wiki page for it seems to be missing.

[-] JayDee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

My knowledge of Cyrillic is fleeting, and I'm mostly going off Wikipedia pages, so I hope someone who actually knows Russian can answer better.

The main Cyrillic Wikipedia page says that is the acute accent (check the Diacritics section). It says it marks stress on a vowel. I don't know what that means though, so that's as far as I can help.

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago

So this is a huge pet peeve of mine: Flemish is not a separate language. It refers to a region inside of Belgium where Dutch is the official language. The Dutch and the Flemish share the same standard language.

I know dialects exist, and those can be considered a language on their own, but there is no unified Flemish dialect. West-Flemish for example is distinctly different from other dialects spoken in Flanders like Brabandic or Limburgish, and variants of Limburgish and Brabandic dialects are spoken in large areas of the Netherlands as well. So it doesn't make sense to create a distinction between "Dutch" and "Flemish".

The differences are on the level of American English vs. Australian English vs. British English. Or Austrian German vs. Swiss German vs. Bavarian German vs. North German ... So if those are not singled out, it doesn't make sense to separate Flemish from Dutch.

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