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[-] Stern@lemmy.world 131 points 4 months ago

“So guys getting blown up in trenches in Ukraine by drones? Ha, totally not age-restricted,” the creator said. “ Me firing a 3D printed pink glock that I made? Age-restricted. We don’t need kids watching that. We want kids watching people getting blown up by mines. Love it. Awesome.”

Guys missing the corpo bottom line.

Gun manufacturers have gotten sued by families of school shooting victims. Youtube runs the risk of getting dragged into court because little Billy sees the 3D printed pink glock, decides that he can make that, that its time to fuck up some bullies, and then after that those bullies parents shoot lawyers in every direction (which includes Youtube, even if the odds of getting anything are minimal) like mushroom spores. That risk assessment doesn't exist for Ukraine war vids.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 4 months ago

More generally "gun control" is never about controlling the cops, military, MIC, etc. There's bi-partisan support for the state maintaining its monopoly on violence.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

There’s bi-partisan support for the state maintaining its monopoly on violence.

as if this is a bad thing.

oh, sorry, were you still dreaming of starting a civil war with you widdle rifles against, I DUNNO, ARMOR DIVISIONS AND AIR FORCES AND CHEMICAL BIOLOGICAL AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS?

because that seems pitifully stupid.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

It is if that's how you think about it. But over time the thinking behind that has changed. Because these types of people are.in our military and they think most military members think like them. By proxy that means they'd be on the side of the "militia".

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[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 87 points 4 months ago

3D printed guns are being used by fighters in Myanmar.

https://3dprint.com/302100/myanmar-rebels-rely-on-3d-printed-guns-to-fight-military-junta/amp/

They’re pretty important if you want to be anti-authoritarian.

[-] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

Also pretty important if you want to supply white supremacist gangs in the US.

[-] msage@programming.dev 52 points 4 months ago

What? Don't they just go to Walmart?

[-] RobotZap10000@feddit.nl 14 points 4 months ago

Walmart is too woke! Chick-Fil-A does it best! /s

[-] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 months ago

Lol. No. They're already set. Worry about the large number of minorities that have lost their 2A rights to an unjust legal system.

[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

But they already have all the guns?

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

White supremacist gangs are generally privileged enough to afford regular guns. Crackdowns on gun possession have overwhelmingly targeted and been selectively enforced against black and other non-white communities and left wing groups, whereas Kyle Rittenhouse shot three people at a BLM rally then walked right past the cops who didn't even intercept him, then he was acquitted. The only BLM protestor to shoot someone was basically assassinated by the feds.

There are plenty of problems with guns in the US and I think there are a few regulations around purchasing them that make sense, but this is virtually a non-issue. Printing guns is so time and resource intensive that unless you are arming a militia in a place where the general population has very limited access to guns, it's not really going to change much.

The one other thing you can do with 3d printing is make full-auto guns and modifications, and those are scary but not really important. Full auto has limited tactical use in squads in pitched warfare. Semi auto will work for 99% of cases, and if the need for full auto is coming up a lot, you're probably in a position to use your gun-to-get-a-gun. We're talking about situations where the law has already broken down, like Myanmar.

Now I can understand why the state would be scared of the tech, but I don't see it helping white supremacists. They already have all the help they need.

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[-] PyroNeurosis 6 points 4 months ago

Those are called cops, and they're already pretty well armed.

[-] iamjackflack@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago

How is this relevant? They will still be able to watch YouTube videos about the topic like before, it’s just age restrictions for under 18

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[-] Gigasser@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I think the people who get up in arms over 3d printed guns forget that most people will never develop the skills or even have the prerequisite skills to make one anyways. It isn't like you just plug in the printer, down load a file, and you have a gun. You need to learn alot of other things to actually make something functional. Things like ECM (electro chemical machining) is often necessary and a whole host of other skills.

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 66 points 4 months ago

Soon the only content left on Youtube will be AI generated ads for Ponzi schemes.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

We can only hope.

[-] ooterness@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

Is this why Ian McCollum's videos are getting altered? Over the years, he's had many historical deep-dives featuring firearms from the Murphy's auction house. In recent months, he's been re-uploading those videos to cover their logo with the word "Morphy's". Even though the auctions are long over, I suppose Google counts them as promoting sales.

[-] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

I remember something from "forgotten weapons" where he I think he talked about having to retroactively blur the auction house because he didn't work with them anymore or a change in their policy. Not a Google one, I think.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 4 points 4 months ago

He fucked himself over with some of the auction houses by trying to set up backroom deal to buy a gun outside of the auction. Understandingly they don't appreciate that sort of thing. Ian has a history of not being a great person, but he's good at hiding it from the public eye.

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[-] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 33 points 4 months ago

PSR is an awesome channel and his music slaps. He doesn't give any instructions or links to files or anything else. He just shows completed examples he built that the community designed. YouTube needs to fuck off with the censorship. The information is all out there. They aren't protecting anybody.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

lol as if they are doing it to protect anybody.

nothing YouTube ever does, or Google for that matter, is to protect anything but their ad revenue.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

why should they be OBLIGATED to help the gun nuts?

I thought your type all believed in freedom mate, what right do you have to tell a private corporation how to run their fucking business?

you're just upset they're blocking your fetish.

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[-] WFloyd@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I used to frequent the FOSSCAD IRC ages back as a teen. This started during the post-Liberator panic, there were talks about regulating 3D printers to not allow printing guns, etc. Designed a few things, never actually printed any of it myself, but some others did. Really got me into engineering before I exited the scene, led to actually pursuing an engineering career. Was surprised to see 3D printed gun videos so openly shared, it was pretty underground for ages there.

[-] kitnaht@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I used to run the 3D printing community on G+ at around 500k strong, (about 10k weekly active users according to Google's stats) and I ended up actually pissing off a lot of my European users because of this. My viewpoint on it, was as an engineering exercise -- it's an amazing thing. It's not advocating for guns, and guns aren't only used to kill other people. So I stood up for the guys posting about their engineering challenges, and their work making 3D printed parts for a machine with high impact loads and loads of cycling issues.

Unfortunately, it lost me some friends, like Gina Haubage and Tomas Sanladerer -- as they disagreed highly; and wanted to ban anyone posting firearms related 3D printing content.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

there is probably no point in fighting this sort of thing, but i wish we would engineer something else instead

[-] kitnaht@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Projectiles are a part of human nature. We've always thrown spears, rocks, etc -- firearms are just an extension of our better understanding of the world. I know of barely anything else that uses explosive charges that is as widely applicable to the general public. Roofing nail guns? But that's such a niche subject, it's not something people are really worried about trying to make with 3D printing. Believe me, if I had a better engineering challenge for 3D printing, I'd be suggesting it. But nothing quite hits like containing an explosive charge, and utilizing the energy in a way that performs work without destroying itself.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

camera gear? experimental musical instruments? i think an idiot could make a list of things that aren't guns and don't suck

[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Things that "don't suck" are far away from peak exciting.

[-] kitnaht@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Did you miss the qualifier "that uses explosive charges"? The engineering challenge is in the explosive part.

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[-] WFloyd@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Absolutely, it's a fabulous engineering challenge, to make it work well on a hobbyist grade 3D printer with ordinary materials. Also a lesson in using the right tool for the right job (some parts are just better off milled or bought OtS)

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

I woke up this morning thinking "I wonder what the 3D printing gun community thinks about stuff.", and I'm going to bed not giving a shit. Fuck these psychos.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 months ago

Third most popular video on the guy’s channel - a million views. A handgun that can shoot all its bullets in the blink of an eye.

30 years from now if 3D printers are unrestricted, will there be any point to gun control?

[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago

Neither the gun nor the switch is 3d printed in that video.

But to answer your question, you can make a firearm from actual trash if you're sufficiently motivated. Look at the different guns Abe's assassin made from a couple of years ago, he even made his own ammunition because of it's lack of availability in Japan. Is the point of gun control as it currently stands to limit access to firearms period or to limit their access to good and more easily available weapons? I would say it is realistically the latter, though crossbows and air rifles are completely legal for people who are barred from owning firearms to obtain and use which sort of invalidates that too.

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[-] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 10 points 4 months ago

Any competent person with $50 and access to a hardware store can build functional firearms. This didn't start with 3D printers.

It is 100% legal in the US to build ones own firearms for personal use. Only a few states have put any additional requirements around it.

Building new full auto guns is already illegal without the proper federal licensure. It was already possible for motivated bad actors to ignore this law if they want, even before 3D printing became a moral panic.

There is already zero point to gun control. Can't stop the signal.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

That seemed random, and it kinda was: uneducated(!) guess on how long it will take the technology to both develop and popularize to the point the average kindergarten massacre* is committed with a 3D printed gun.

@Voyajer@lemmy.world @ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Is 30 years long enough for there to be a decent likelihood we’ll be able to print the switch and firearm from that video? Thanks for your responses, I can tell you know your stuff.


* to be clear, being forever upset about Sandy Hook has no bearing on my respect for responsible gun owners, presumably the vast majority

You can already easily manufacture your own firearm with a combination of 3D printers and some metal working tools. Or just buy the barrel pre made and that's 99% the effort.

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[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Google is ruining themselves to suck off advertisers. Hopefully someone can fill the gap of YouTube.

[-] TheMirkMan@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Maybe odysse will rise

[-] Wiz@midwest.social 8 points 4 months ago

PeerTube could use some love.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

yes, it's sucking off advertisers and definitely not wanting to be associated with the fucking illicit arms trade....

god damn gun nuts are such whiny babies

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[-] Shanedino@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Haha, private company, you can't do shit about it.

[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago
[-] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 10 points 4 months ago

Lost profits for the gun industry.

[-] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

A private company restricting what videos I can see is AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION when those videos involve GUNS! SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED! NO REGULATIONS!

[-] yessikg 3 points 4 months ago

Rare Youtube W

[-] cupcakezealot 2 points 4 months ago

means youtube is doing something right

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