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[-] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 163 points 3 months ago

This is what happens when a company has no diversity. Most companies dogfood their own production. Reminds me of Google's gorilla situation...

[-] Hubi@lemmy.world 65 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This happens even on newer Toyotas, so it's not exactly company-specific. The issue is the biased training data used for the face recognition system.

[-] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This seems more like an excuse. All these companies aren't using the same training data.

They literally never tested this on an asian person before selling in the vehicle...

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 69 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Toyota is a japanese manufacturer. Likely they localize the feature and the localized version has the problem. Its completely possible they all contract the same software vendors in the US for certification reasons, resulting in similar problems.

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[-] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 134 points 3 months ago

Classic case of OWPITTS (only white people in the training set).

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

I am guessing the car wasn't made by Subaru or Nissan and is from Ford, GMC, Tesla, BMW, or Mercedes.

[-] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 3 months ago

My Subaru has a driver attention feature that's constantly going off if I sit up straight because I'm too tall 🫠

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago
[-] Dragster39@feddit.de 5 points 3 months ago

Please don't drive while standing?

[-] K4mpfie@feddit.de 12 points 3 months ago

Classic case of OSPITTS (only small people in the training set).

[-] Avg@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

It happened to samsung's phones years ago.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Classic case of OPWFREITTS (Only people with fire resistant ears in the training set)

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[-] ClockworkN@lemmy.world 58 points 3 months ago

There's an episode of American Auto where they make a self-driving car that can't see black people. It's a good show. Check it out.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sounds like a similar episode of Better Off Ted. Also a great show that only got 2 seasons.

[-] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 months ago

It's all fun and games until the octochicken comes down from its web.

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[-] shadowbroker@lemm.ee 54 points 3 months ago

What does the system do when you wear sunglasses?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Automatically voids the warranty

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[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 3 months ago

My car keeps screaming at me to keep my hands on the wheel, WHILE I'M FUCKING HOLDING IT.

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

You black with a black steering wheel or white with a white one?

[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago

My car's lane assist deactivates if the road is too straight because I haven't moved the steering wheel in too long. The only way to get it back is to swerve a bit.

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[-] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 months ago

Your car (Tesla?) has no sensors on the wheel that can detect your hands. That’s why you need to jerk the wheel every couple of seconds.

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[-] DogWater@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago

Lol just like the old Xbox Kinect failing miserably at seeing dark skinned black people correctly or at all

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[-] sudo42@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

There’s a Better Off Ted episode that hilariously addressed this issue.

[-] Spur4383@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

That show should have more seasons.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

My wife's Asian and only been driving 3-years. LMFAO, she would be a shaking crying mess if the car kept yelling at her to pay attention.

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Car manufacturer tried to make a safer and more attentive driver through monitor and warning systems, accidentally causes crippling anxiety instead.

[-] knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My Ford transit kept telling me to pull over to rest. It was a windy day.

[-] Chaosl3gion@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I have small eyes myself, and I'm not Asian. So it'd yell at me without the wind, lol. Also, I wonder how it'd work for those wearing sunglasses.....

[-] tweeks@feddit.nl 5 points 3 months ago

Maybe it recognizes sunglasses and skips this check while you wear them.

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago
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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 24 points 3 months ago

You'd think they'd have learned from all the cameras that can't see black people....

This is racist as shit.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 21 points 3 months ago

I'm sure it is possible to disable this feature?

[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago

company vehicle. might not be allowed to for insurance reasons. 🤷‍♂️

[-] magikmw@lemm.ee 16 points 3 months ago

The fun part is, company will get a higher premium after they go through data from that car and it's "sleepy" driver.

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[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 12 points 3 months ago

Sue the company for racism and creating a hostile work environment.

I’m not sure how serious I am.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 19 points 3 months ago

Can people see why "DEI" programs are genuinely good things yet?

[-] fishbone@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Just in case anyone doesn't know the acronym: DEI is Diversity, equity, and inclusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity,_equity,_and_inclusion

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I can see small teams not having the personal to account for every possiblity, but this should have gotten picked up in testing and not made it to production. There was an automatic soap dispenser that couldn't see dark skin, but that didn't make it to full scale production.

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[-] JayDee@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago

I remember this episode from Better Off Ted.

[-] smb@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 months ago

i'ld try to stick some googly eyes on a headband to wear when driving. if it does not help, its at least good for a selfie.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 13 points 3 months ago
[-] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

My white guy sucks

[-] ech@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

I love this show, and this episode.

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[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

There has to be a way to calibrate it, no? Something like this can't be designed without setting a baseline, and surely there's a ton of variance.

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[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago
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[-] arin@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Not mild, full blown racist

[-] nexussapphire@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My integra doesn't have cameras but it monitors steering input and the road lines. I turned it off immediately but a family member of mine got frustrated because it would go off on him all the time in his Ford f150.

He often looks for deer while driving and can't drive in a straight line because of it and that drifting to the center line/ edge of the road results in the system telling him to pull over and rest.

I'd assume unless he has a fancy German car he's probably texting while driving or really bad at driving in a straight line. No mass market brand is going to bother installing cameras in the cab unless you are buying fairly expensive luxury car.

Edit: or it's Toyota with their annoying systems. I wouldn't know I avoid cars that scream at you for any little unsafe things it thinks you are doing. Toyota has eye tracking in their new cars and it beeps at you if you look away from the road for a fraction of a second from what I've heard.

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