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[-] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 206 points 1 year ago

It's technically not a visa but an electronic travel authorization much like the US and Canada have.

[-] what_is_a_name@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago

I love Americans freaking out about being subjected to the same shit they force all others to go through.

Americans have no idea how border checks work. Remember that next time they share opinions about immigration.

[-] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I know how boarder checks work. And I know that the schengen area has the best border crossings.

I want more schengen. The US and Canada should make their own north american schengen area, it will cut down on so much unnecessary government expenditure.

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[-] Overzeetop@kbin.social 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Exactly - the title and the article is incorrect. Americans will still be afforded a visa-on-arrival for tourism and other approved short term stays. Additionally, the authorization is valid for three years and can be used for multiple stays within the EEA. I believe the UK is also implementing an ETA (edit, maybe I got the acronym right this time), but I think it is only valid for two years at a time.

In a way it's silly, but it also reduces that chance of a disruption/entry denial at the entry point to the Area.

[-] Screeslope@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I think a key benefit here is that the pre-registration allows for faster processing at the border itself, cutting down on queues at the airport. Singapore runs a system where after preregistration you can just walk through an automated (though somewhat finicky) scanner. No queues after arrival, I basically stepped off the international flight and went straight to the city with barely a wait.

[-] Ooops@feddit.de 100 points 1 year ago

Because "including Spain, France and Greece" is a rather lacking description for 30 European countries:

Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 33 points 1 year ago

Maybe they're selected because they're the most popular destinations? (Nor sure if that true, but it would make sense)

[-] iegod@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

I feel bad for brevity in the presence of such criticism.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 15 points 1 year ago

Im sorry, English is not my first language and don't understand what you mean, could you explain me?

[-] Caithe@lemdit.com 37 points 1 year ago

It’s okay, I’m a native English speaker and don’t understand what they’re saying.

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[-] eusousuperior@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago

Well we've been paying the ESTA electronic visa for years now every time we've wanted to visit the US. It's fair game to require the same

[-] FailBait@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

Saw people freaking out on FB about this and how “I guess Europe doesn’t want tourism!” I don’t think $8 is going to be a barrier for entry on a $1000 flight…

[-] local_taxi_fix@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Also people saying "Europe is charging Americans a fee to enter" when really they're charging all non-Europeans. Typical American conservative self-victimization.

  1. It's not a visa but an ESTA. The visa is still granted on the fly on entry.
  2. The U.S. require the same the other way around, only the one granted by the EU is $10 cheaper and valid for 3 years instead of 2, so still U.S. citizens get an advantage
  3. EU citizens (like all other non-immigrants) have to, as far as I understand, disclose all their social media accounts when applying for a US visa

Sources for (3):

For VISA applications, https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Enhanced%20Vetting/CA%20-%20FAQs%20on%20Social%20Media%20Collection%20-%206-4-2019%20(v.2).pdf should apply.

What if applicants participate in multiple online platforms? Are they being asked to list all of their handles, or only one?

Applicants must provide all identifiers used for all listed platforms.

I reached that document via https://www.ustraveldocs.com/de/de-gen-faq.asp#qlistgen21 ("Apply for a U.S. Visa in Germany") and didn't find any hint for exemptions for German citizens or E U citizens, so I assume it applies. (But I might still be wrong.)

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 22 points 1 year ago

Simply wow, this one is new to me. Guess I would never go to the US again.

[-] yaycupcake 16 points 1 year ago

Genuine question, how the heck do people who have a ton of social media accounts (some for a business, some for different topics, some they haven't used in ages and maybe forgot about or lost the login for) actually list them all? If it were me, depending on the platforms required, I don't even know where I'd begin. I very well might genuinely forget one I made 3 years ago, used for a month, and abandoned.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

What if I don't disclose my social media accounts? How are they going to know? It feels like to me like more surveillance they're attempting to do.

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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

$8, don't break the bank on this one folks.

[-] EyesEyesBaby@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago

The visa, which will cost about $8, is similar to the one that European tourists are required to get when traveling to the U.S., which costs $21.

That's quite the difference.

[-] makr_alland@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago

It's the same, but in the US you have to add the sales tax ($2) and then tip at least 110%. That brings the total to $21.

[-] donut4ever@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago

We love to overcharge on everything.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago

Hospitals have entered the chat

[-] donut4ever@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

And I'm leaving the chat. I don't have health insurance and the name "hospital" scares me.

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[-] 15liam20@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Is that $21 or $21 plus some random tax when you get to the till because fuck you?

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Not the price of the visa, but the visa itself is similar to the ones that Europeans have had to get for a long time.

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[-] outdated_belated@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Presumably the devil is in the hassle entailed in acquiring it, rather than the monetary price. ie a cost of time and effort rather than money

Edit: also the entailed risk of not being approved, lack of transparency for any denials, etc

[-] burningmatches@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

The risk of not being approved isn’t changing. The difference is that you can now find out before you buy a plane ticket and arrive in the EU.

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[-] willow@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 1 year ago

The visa, which will cost about $8, is similar to the one that European tourists are required to get when traveling to the U.S., which costs $21.

A very typical tit-for-tat.

[-] ELI70@lemmy.run 6 points 1 year ago

So Europe is better value than US? $8 vs $21?

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[-] ukuku@feddit.cl 44 points 1 year ago

*Everyone from a visa free country will need an electronic authorization, not just US-Americans

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Wait, this wasnt the case yet?!

[-] donut4ever@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

That's what I was thinking. I never knew that we didn't need a visa. Lol

[-] Overzeetop@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We do need one, but Americans, as well as many other friendly countries, have what is called "Visa on Arrival" which means that you are automatically afforded a Tourist visa just for the asking and you can get it when you arrive at the country. It's easy for Americans, who hold one of the strongest passports in the world, to forget that that visa process for many people can be a long and expensive one, even for something as seemingly mundane as tourism.

This basically adds a "pre-authorization" step once every 3 years to make sure you're not an axe murderer or fall into any other ne'er-do-well category so they don't have to watch you pitch a fit at immigration when you get denied entry.

Edit: I'll add that I pay $100 every five years (Global Entry) so that I can get back into the US on my return flight with as little friction as possible.

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[-] QuinceDaPence@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Same. I keep seeing this posted like it's some.huge thing but I'm just like "OH NO! Things are now like I thought they already were, only cheaper than I would have assumed."

[-] Ecology8622@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm guessing because of migration. More USA citizens want to leave the US and overstay in the EU. This way its a bit more tedious and easier to track.

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

It's just part of a larger expansion of a program that simply happens to include Americans. I really don't think they care about us that much; we're not that special.

[-] krische@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Seems like it's more so covering the costs of doing automated background checks or something like that. Like making sure you aren't on any bad lists so they can prevent you from arriving instead of having to deal with you when you're already there.

It's not technically a visa, Americans are still granted that upon arrival it seems.

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[-] sagrotan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that scratches the inflated image of the US citizens. But why...idk

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