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[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 308 points 5 months ago

Eat shit, lobbying to make simple tax returns something you have to pay Turbo Tax, H&R Block, etc for.

[-] School_Lunch@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago

I don't know much about investing, but i wonder if it would it be a good time to short those companies?

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 112 points 5 months ago

If you don't know much about investing then you shouldn't short anything ever. People who know about investing will tell you that even when your logic is 100 percent sound, the market isn't that predictable and in general the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

[-] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 5 months ago

Plus, the news of this would already be priced into the stock, so if anything the price is already low and these companies would need to pivot their business (which would increase the value again) or die (which would lower the price marginally, to zero). Either way, shorting is a bad strategy in this case.

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[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago

it wouldve been earlier, but now this is priced into the stocks already.

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[-] Dekthro@lemm.ee 131 points 5 months ago

Eat shit [insert private company here]

[-] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 5 months ago

I hope every CEO gets the worse form of cancer and dies slowly.

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[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 109 points 5 months ago

Free if you have no other exemptions to file.

1099? Nope Depreciation? Nope Tax credits? Nope

Makes for a great headline though.

Im sure those of us that do have exemptions other than the standard will see our tax prep fees skyrocket

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 56 points 5 months ago

Some progress is better then no progress, and TurboTax et. al. losing in any way is a victory for the rest of us.

[-] best_username_ever@sh.itjust.works 44 points 5 months ago

Why is the USA the only country to have those problems, AND complain about getting free stuff?

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[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

are you not capable of taking a win? it's a HUGE step towards disassembling predatory cpas and tax software.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

it’s a HUGE step towards disassembling predatory cpas and tax software.

Its a regular sized step, as its targeted primarily at simple filers. But the cutoff is incredibly low. You can't use it if you've got retirement savings through an IRA, if you've got deductions for college expenses, or if you're claiming the child care deduction. I'd wager that's at least half the people who bother to file returns.

Definitely good news for folks that H&R Block likes to fleece - anyone collecting EITC or Child Tax Credits and not much else. But hardly universal.

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[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 21 points 5 months ago

Maybe not. You will have the same number of tax preparers chasing less work. Through the magic of the Free Market™️, shouldn’t that mean pressure to reduce prices? We can only hope.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

I already saw it reflected this year. My tax prep went up $150

[-] papertowels@lemmy.one 21 points 5 months ago

Freetaxusa does them for like 20 bucks

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[-] killwill@feddit.nl 11 points 5 months ago

I'm no statistics major, but that's like 100% of the sample!!!

[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

Yeah, very limited, but it's very good for more than half of the population that don't have enough deductions to exceed the standard and don't own property (if you properly count houseless "households" that earn income as not owning property and not just renters like most statistics). It's dumb that they have to file a return anyway just to acres money that never should have been collected. Most just don't know how to properly file their W-4 to not have taxes withheld in the first place. Mostly because they follow the directions and/or are afraid of paying a fine plus interest.

Anyway, it's a step in the right direction. And if we can unbury all of the staff out of the pile of paper returns, we can devote some to go after the rich and their frivolous, often fraudulent deductions and have them pay the tax they owe.

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 84 points 5 months ago

why isn't this constitutionally protected.

Can we pass an amendment for this shit? It's actually kind of fucked up.

[-] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 63 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Kind of? Are you going to tell us that the US healthcare system is "sorta silly" next?

[-] skullone@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago

Sorta silly?! It's fucked beyond belief. Source: me, someone who profits off the healthcare industry as a corpo. Sorry 🤷.

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[-] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 32 points 5 months ago

I think that some companies like turbotax are employing lobbyists to make impossible filing for taxes unless you go through a gatekeeper

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[-] xeekei@lemm.ee 75 points 5 months ago
[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Huh, I went to check - we did it in 2003 (for vat and income tax iirc, ofc they expended it since, nowdays only courtroom stuff doesn't have online admin systems).

Prior to that you just got the (already filled out) income tax form in the mail - if everything was ok that was usually it. In case you still owed, it included the bill, it they owed you they wired the money to your bank.

If the tax forms were incomplete for some reason (or just not optimised between the members of the same family) you could fill in what they missed (like literally with a pen) & send it back (for them to verify & return it to youb revised).

(This system still works so folk who prefer to do it via paper can do that.)

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[-] LucidNightmare@lemmy.world 59 points 5 months ago

The catch is that it requires ID.me, and there is no way in hell I'm giving some third party a picture of my fucking drivers license.

[-] 240p@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 5 months ago

I hope more scrutiny is given to ID.me. I'll only be using Direct File if they remove it as a dependency.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 32 points 5 months ago

Seems odd. They've been pushing login.gov like everywhere.

[-] binomialchicken 21 points 5 months ago

It will eventually be supported, and in the interim they have stated that they won't keep biometric data obtained through ID.me once a verification is completed, or you can opt for an online interview where no biometrics are collected in the first place.

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-statement-new-features-put-in-place-for-irs-online-account-registration-process-strengthened-to-ensure-privacy-and-security

Who knows if ID.me will actually delete the data on their end though, or if the online interview is recorded by the provider.

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[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 months ago

…to print my ID in the first place?

(But yes clearly worse to allow personal data to be stored in an additional system.)

[-] LucidNightmare@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

Right, my government also gave me a number at my birth. They know where I live, they know how much I make and where I work. The third party, ID.me, definitely does NOT need any of my information, since the entity that is taxing me, already does.

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[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 13 points 5 months ago

Interesting that third parties like TurboTax aren't required to obtain copies of your photo ID.

[-] LucidNightmare@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

I looked it up, and there is an article from the end of last year that says they are about to be required or are already required.

I can't recall ever putting my license on one of these tax preppers, but I am also older and more privacy concerned in my older age, so I would definitely not do it now.

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[-] shimura@lemmy.world 53 points 5 months ago

Mine was too complicated to file for free because I have retirement investments? Seems like a silly reason to force someone to use a paid service.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 months ago

You’re not supposed to be wrecking our economy like that. Spend, baby, spend.

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[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Sounds like having any 1099 is 'too complicated'. So anyone with any sort of savings account that managed to get $10 of interest over a year... So if you have like a thousand dollars in a boring old savings account you are 'too complicated'.

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[-] Ioughttamow@kbin.run 34 points 5 months ago

Thank fuck. Finally

[-] Fades@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

Biden did that, among many other great things for the average american citizen

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

Good. Now make it work for everyone's tax situation.

[-] Vorticity@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

Even without access to Direct File since I wasn't in a pilot state, I've been using the IRS' "Free Fillable Forms" for the last few years and they've worked great! They don't hold your hand as much as the paid software but for my returns they've been more than adequate and free!

Does anyone know how "Direct File" differs from the "Free Fillable Forms"? Does it hold your hand a little more and help you find credits/deductions? Free Fillable Forms worked well, but only so long as I knew what I needed to file. New circumstances, like adding a dependent, lead to a lot of research.

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[-] Tregetour@lemdro.id 16 points 5 months ago

You need to enable JavaScript to use Direct File.

On the plus side, UBO only had to block one script (on the login page at least).

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Fuck TurboTax, fuck H$R Block

[-] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago

how much longer til they just do it for me and leave me the fuck alone?

[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

As a tax accountant, I sincerely hope this gets to a point where a vast majority of the population has no need for my services.

I used to play in the big leagues where none of my clients would ever qualify for this and their returns routinely took upwards of a hundred hours to complete. Those guys need to keep paying.

Now I play down in the minors a couple steps above the Block, and I hate seeing the owner sell these three or four hundred dollar returns that might take me an hour to complete in the first year and maybe thirty minutes in subsequent years.

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[-] bolexforsoup 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

spoilerasdfasfasfasfas

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Now if we could do like other countries and just have the government send a pre formatted document of things like wages, dependents, and other taxable items so we all know what we owe because the government has all that information already. Add what you need as far as write offs or other income and send it back. Done. None of this collection of tons of different forms, figuring out what percent you can write off, etc. and submitting it all hoping you don’t get it wrong and get audited or owe fines and interest.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

But is it compatible with the tax filing dating sim?

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