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submitted 6 months ago by caiman@sopuli.xyz to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

I've been doing this for some time now. Even if it's something that I consider important.

I just don't see the value in participating in a discussion that I have seen countless times already where the same points and arguments happen over and over again. One that I know wilI turn ugly. It's exhausting and I've decided to just opt-out.

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 49 points 6 months ago

Yeah. Why argue with cunts?

[-] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 months ago

Or worse yet, Americans.

[-] fart_pickle@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

If the question is open, e.g. "do you like apples?" and the question is in my area of interest, I usually give an answer. But if the question assumes an answer or is deliberately polarizing, e.g. "why don't you like apples?" I pass.

[-] QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 months ago

You know who else liked apples? Hitler. Coincidence? No.

[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Coincidence? No.

Of course it’s not a coincidence. Everyone likes apples. If you disagree it obviously means you’re lying because everyone likes apples.

[-] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[-] ccunning@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

That’s a great point! Not what I was driving at but the logic makes sense to me…

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

How do you like dem apples?

[-] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 months ago
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[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Religion.

Holy crap are do people on Lemmy seem to have a seething hate for them all. Not interested with debating over something we’ll disagree on. It’s just not a welcome topic here.

I think most of us are tired of the vocal minority that exist IRL that are actively harming others (especially lgbtq+, women, and minorities) and the silent majority that are complicit with it, especially in the US.

Religion also seems to have a hatred of every other belief, explicit or implicit, e.g. if you don't believe in Jesus, you deserve to be tortured eternally. Why would I be tolerant of people that think that's capital g Good?

Plus, how can you have a debate when one side won't keep to the basic rules of evidence.

One last thing you might notice is that it's probably not Buddhism or Daoism that get hostile reactions. That might be worth inspecting.

[-] alilbee@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

See, I think this is what they're talking about though. I hate Christianity. I was raised Protestant and because of other factors in my life, Christianity effectively ruined large swathes of my lifespan. It's still an active threat to me, and likely will be for my entire life. I'm likely to be a fairly stringent atheist forever.

All that said, edgy internet atheists are one of the most annoying archetypes to run into online. If even a whiff of a religious topic comes up, they pounce and nip and bark. They satisfy almost every stereotype the religious people have of them because they often seem to delight in the cruelty of knocking on beliefs. Like, my whole top comment still being relevant, religion has a reason to exist. It gives people feelings of hope, love, and belonging. Anyone who has experienced a lack of those can understand why people fall into religion and why it's like any other addiction.

I'm breaking one of my rules right now, talking about religion on social media, but I figured the "meta" aspect of this thread would make it productive. I hope I don't regret it.

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[-] troglodytis@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

In the middle of my third paragraph I deleted most of this comment and reminded myself, my perspective is not needed.

[-] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

I don't want to talk about it.

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[-] FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago

my new year’s resolution this year was stop wasting time replying to dumbasses online

it’s not going very well but it’s the thought that counts. we’ll get em next year

[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

In my industry, people can get very toxic really quickly over minor details. I've decided quite a few times to just let things go, even if they are blatantly wrong.

You end up in a situation where the person on the other end really just does not want to drop it, has to "win" no matter what. Even if the subject in itself was something you went to school learning/writing a paper on.

[-] caiman@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 months ago

The people that need to "win" drive me crazy. It's not enough to them if you concede on some points, it's not enough if you agree to disagree, they just have to be right 100%, and you realize they won't be happy unless you say "Sorry, I was wrong and you were right." and bow to their superior intelligence.

I've made the mistake of engaging with people like this before and it was a nightmare. Like you said, they wouldn't just drop it, even after I explicitly said "Sorry, but we are going in circles here, we should just end it." after an hour long discussion, where they could've easily taken their "W" from me walking away.

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[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

Usually in online arguments I don't expect to convince the person I'm arguing with, but to show anyone else reading the thread that an opposing opinion exists. But that said, sometimes I simply don't engage if I don't have the energy.

[-] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I do appreciate posts like those.

My objective when I look through a comment thread, especially in a topic I don't know much about, I'm looking for the well reasoned posts. I admit I'm a human (confirmed via captchas) and love to have my opinions validated, but I also like to read a different take on a situation or issue. And because I am not in a situation where I don't feel like I have to defend my opinion I'm more open to seeing a different perspective.

So thank you for taking the time to write those out - and to others that do that thank you as well.

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[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

What you’re doing isn’t a bad thing. I went through something similar.

Your mental health is more important than any online discussion could ever be. If that means less food for the trolls and sealions, so be it.

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[-] TheSpermWhale@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

I’m a massive Doctor Who fan and discourse surrounding it has been ‘difficult’ for the last few years. As the quality of the show has varied, some fans have denounced more recent series, and others have become angry that they don’t enjoy the same things as they do. At the end of the day we’re all fans of Doctor Who, we just can’t agree what Doctor Who is, but I think we should accept that and all let each other enjoy the Doctor Who we want to.

[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 months ago

Absolutely. Not even just online, but IRL too.

I'm a software engineer that works on tech that's extremely contentious in public discourse. Most people have pretty negative assumptions about myself and my work to the point that I hate talking about it. Even most people in my industry can be a bit insufferable. So I'd rather just keep my mouth shut and keep doing my own thing.

[-] Corno@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I won't discuss politics, and I won't share personal info about myself in general

[-] classic@fedia.io 4 points 6 months ago

Yeah sometimes I have what might be decent input on a topic but it would then start painting a picture of my profession, so I don't. That also goes for some questions that I have which I could use help with, but are specific enough that I don't post them. It's likely that it doesn't matter; but the whole "the Internet doesn't forget" piece is something to be a little careful about, unfortunately

[-] Hobo@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I think meal prepping sucks donkey balls and most food that is meal prepped tastes like crap after its sat in the fridge/freezer. I have been personally attacked on more than one occasion for bringing this up so I just don't anymore.

[-] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Same here when it comes to food/taste. I criticised vegan mortadella(mostly water and oil) at some point and people absolutely lost it. Got some angry DMs by vegans explaining the concept of enjoyment to me. Not doing that again.

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[-] Guadin@k.fe.derate.me 6 points 6 months ago

Yes, I do. Sometimes I disagree with something but I know my opinion will not be appreciated and I will be called names for just a different opinion. Often, it's not that I out those opinions in public but I just think them to myself but let other people be as they are. But that nuance will not come across online.

[-] ZagamTheVile@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah. I figure there's little to no point trying to engage with people online anout topics I feel strongly about. And I mean anything. Like I quit trying to convince people Mike V is actually a worthless skateboarder and king of the kooks, all the way down to the Sex Pistols are a boy band. Not to mention actually important topics like healthcare and reproductive rights. Though, I've quit doing it irl too. I think if anyone I talk to can be convinced to change their mind after talking to me, they're just going to change their mind next time someone else tries. I find it's better to just be the person I want more people to be and live by example. It's the same thing I tell my kids- strive to be the person you want as a friend.

But I also tell my kids no one is allowed to play guns and roses in my house, so come to your own conclusions.

[-] efstajas@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I made this same decision for myself explicitly just a few days ago. It's just bad for my mental health to constantly be arguing with people online, especially with how easily online discussions turn sour in tone. It's so incredibly rare to have an actual fulfilling discussion where both sides are open to having their minds changed, and thus there's really no point to it.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

IDF and Hamas in the context of warfare.

I just have an interest in modern conflicts, but there's usually a humanitarian crisis that I don't want to overshadow and or discredit.

Most people here (afaik) aren't part of combat communities so there's no point talking about strategy or objectives unless it has an impact on the broader issue.

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[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

I do it because I don't really mind a shit show, but I 100% understand those who want to remain out of it. Lemmy is insanely toxic at times and it's sometimes made me reconsider this platform.

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[-] Resol@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Some topics are way too depressing for me to talk about.

[-] ___@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Information is competition if it can change the world. Information is informative if it is widely known and simply repeated. Choose what innovative thoughts you share carefully. They spread timelessly to open minds once they’re out.

[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

I discuss all topics that are within the rules to discuss.

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[-] MudSkipperKisser@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Yes and I’ve largely opted out of the same conversations irl too, for my own mental health I have to check out of certain conversations

[-] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 3 points 6 months ago

i usually do. it also helps to check first if the sub is light-hearted and sharing is very welcome.

there's a chance the sub is already at a devolving to name slinging and memes and that requires a different touch.

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 3 points 6 months ago

The block button works for me

[-] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago

That's probably smart. Even with important things I don't think online arguments have ever swayed anyone. I like being an annoying vegan and arguing about it occasionally, but sometimes it's just frustrating and I have to disconnect for a while.

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[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Yeah, there are a few things I can't discuss. I was trying to discuss antisemitism with a group of Jewish people and that was clearly a discussion where there was no point even conversing. Merely asking for information was too much. It's a shame because I've learned a lot from various groups who have expanded my world view by sharing their understanding with me. But ultimately I think any area of discussion can end up being painful and pointless if the people you're conversing with have immovable beliefs - climate change, identity politics, socialism /capitalism are all possible tar-pits

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Yes. But more importantly, I find myself (in hindsight of course) participating in conversations I probably should not be participating in to begin with.

I have a bad habit of leaping without always looking. If you look at my comment history, I’m sure it’ll stick out like a sore thumb. But that is my proverbial cross to bear, and it’s something I feel like I’m getting better at.

But, that aside, there are plenty of things I’d love to discuss with people that I know would not be received well, or like you said, have been discussed to death.

Great question!

[-] whygohomie@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Yes because there are certain areas where paid actors, including bots, overwhelm any organic discussion. I have discussions about stuff like that in private chats with people I actually know.

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 3 points 6 months ago

People are only ready to receive so much Truth.

And ~~even~~ especially then, likely with anger.

... and ofc that includes ourselves as well btw.

It's not all that different from irl conversations then, except you cannot look in each others' eyes to gauge sincerity. So ask yourself: why have irl conversations at all - especially when you know they will turn ugly? We cannot really help you further b/c you have hidden behind an alt account here, though I hope this gives you some stuff to think about.

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