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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Get ready for '26. Flipping/Maintaining the House and Senate has to be the priority.

[-] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Leaving the country and taking my kids in case plan 2025 starts happening.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"On Tyranny" by Tim Snyder has an excellent set of practical guidelines based on how it's played out in other places historically

[-] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago

Nothing. Like last time.

[-] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 5 months ago

Move faster and work lots of overtime to get the last of my debt paid off then going to a friends place in Mexico. I speak Mexican Spanish well enough so I can avoid areas filled with expats.

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Trump will eventually do something that gets between rich people and their money while also being an impeachable offense. The "sane" bussiness republican VP will pardon Trump after his impeachment and have him live out the rest of his life as a fox news call in guest until he died of "old age".

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[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Not sure. But my partner and I have an out, we will probably move to their home country and start a new life there if need be. It's kind of hard to determine when the right time to leave is.

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[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

I’m in a blue state, so mostly help friends and family in red states. Specifically, help people access reproductive care.

Besides that, put more effort into local government.

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[-] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Move in with my friend in the Netherlands. He's wanted me to move even if Biden wins.

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago

i'll be ready to observe everything, and get a documented first hand account of fascism (assuming it happens)

Otherwise, i'll probably just shit and piss myself hoping nothing implodes. while staying very far away from the internet.

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[-] TheWoozy@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

I'm a govt. contractor. I will retire the day before he's swarn in. I'm not sure what I'll do beyond that. A lot of Americans already retire to Costa Rica or Panama. I'll have to decide whether to run away or stay & resist.

[-] Wahots@pawb.social 9 points 5 months ago

Vote. He's not allowed to turn this country into a "shithole country" in his words.

[-] HoustonHenry@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

As an athiest, go get on Jesus' good side and hope for a better afterlife

[-] Unlearned9545@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Move to New Zealand. TBF, I'll probably move there if doesn't will as well.

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[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 months ago

Hope that Canada or one of the Nordic/EU countries have job openings for an engineer.

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[-] kava@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

I'm a bit cynical here and I think the country is headed down the same path whether Trump or Biden wins in November. We're seeing pseudo-fascist rhetoric increase in frequency. We're seeing authoritarian and militaristic policies pass virtually unopposed through our political system. War is virtually guaranteed with either candidate.

I know this opinion may be unpopular but I don't think this election matters very much. There are of course potential differences- such as access to abortion. If Biden wins, maybe there's more hope. But that's really it- just hope. Democrats have had majorities dozens of times since Roe V Wade was ruled and never wrote abortion into law.

I don't think it's suddenly going to change in the next 4 years which looks to be a potentially very dangerous period of time geopolitically speaking. Biden isn't going to have very much political capital to spend and the Overton Window is gradually shifting right.

Instead of looking only at this election, look at the next. And the one after. Do people think MAGA will go away? The world is in economic and geopolitical restructuring- instability breeds radicalism. The problem will likely only get worse. Especially with another weak Democratic administration.

Which brings me to the answer to your question. I have dual citizenship in South America. The only reasons I would leave the US are if there is a WW3 scenario or some sort of clear descent into a form of fascism. We're toying with it right now, but it can get a lot worse.

It probably won't be much better in my home country if I'm being honest, but there will be less chances for war. Any global war will inevitably involve the US in some capacity.

[-] jkjustjoshing@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Have you heard about Project 2025? This is what’s so scary about Trump that isn’t true about Biden. In 2017, Trump was the dog who caught the car, but in 2025 he will come in with a plan and allies helping him move as fast as possible to unravel environmental protections, public school funding, consumer protections, scientific research, and increase the amount of right-wing Christianity in the US government as much as they can. And that just what there is skimming the Wikipedia article. In 2017 Trump started his term with some clumsy executive orders, many of which were immediately enjoined/overturned - in 2025 he will come in with prewritten executive orders with a much stronger legal standing that will be much more effective.

Trump put polarizing figures in his cabinet in “acting” roles because he couldn’t get them through the Senate (like Betsy DeVos who screwed over thousands of student loan borrowers and worked to take money out of public schools). He’ll do that again.

And while I agree there’s some things I’d like Biden to do that he isn’t, he and Trump aren’t remotely equivalent. Biden has gotten a huge amount of legislation passed for climate action, he’s forgiven student loans for 10s of thousands of people (many of whom were promised service-based loan forgiveness and then screwed over by DeVos).

You’re right that MAGA won’t go away. But Trump is a unique figure on the right, and one that is particularly dangerous right now. There isn’t one thing we can do to change the minds of his supporters, but every election we keep him out of power is 4 more years until all the Project 2025 shit can come true.

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[-] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 8 points 5 months ago

Hope it's not as bad as I think ("as bad as I think" means "mass killings;") What else can I do? Everyone else here seems to be privileged enough to have the skills or plain cash to say "I'll go somewhere else," isn't as worried as they should be, or think they're Apocalypse Badass Man (see: accelerationists.) That's not me. I'm unskilled, poor, I have the self-introspection to know I don't have what it takes to be a revolutionary.

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[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Same thing as last time.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Well, we survived him once, we can do it again.

I'd still prefer to not get set back another decade by having him in office, and the danger of him never leaving office by way of dismantling all of the safeguards that prevented his coup in 2021 can't be ignored.

If there are ways I can resist, I will. If there are people I can help just by reaching out, I will extend my hand to them. I won't let Trump's hateful rhetoric poison my humanity or turn me against my fellow man.

If things get bad enough, my girlfriend and I have a "bug-out" plan that we discussed and agreed upon that basically amounts to - withdraw everything from our financial accounts, sell everything that isn't nailed down if we can or abandon everything in place, round up the family and buy plane/boat tickets to head somewhere that has low requirements for citizenship or will accept American petitions for political asylum if things get desperate enough. This is in the worst-case scenario where the U.S. descends into a full fascist/totalitarian state and there is a clear and present danger of us getting killed just for being political dissidents.

Ideally, we'd like to stay here and hope that things get better, but every year things seem to get worse and worse. The American Dream is dead and rotting, and we can just barely see a pinhole of light at the end of the tunnel for us to be able to achieve a life, but we're both left wondering if we're even going to be able to hold on to that if we do manage to seize it given how much the economy is backsliding each year.

tl;dr: the plan is to keep our heads down, but our spirits as high as possible, and always know where the closest exit is in case of an emergency.

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[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

As a person made utterly destitute and disabled by a series of crimes committed against me, well, I have SSDI and thats basically it.

Cost of living is way lower in Ecuador, i can relearn the Spanish I knew in high school, and theres a good number of affordable cities and towns there with considerably better crime statistics and public transportation than anywhere I can afford in the US.

I have done the math and it would be vastly more cost and time effective to move abroad... as I have been evicted, and basically that means I can't rent anywhere in the US for at least two years.

I am seriously considering noping the fuck out if Trump wins. Spent most of my adult life advocating for minorities, the poor, the disenfranchised, and now I am too fucking tired, in too much pain and too broke.

(Ironically my last job was at a non profit assisting the homeless, who didn't give a fuck about me becoming homeless.)

Not like anyone will miss me, every family member and friend I thought I had either committed crimes against me, told me to fuck off, or told me that they what was happening to me was too emotionally traumatic for them to deal with right now.

Of course this plan goes to shit if Trump and the Republicans somehow massively defund or cancel Social Security.

I used to think they would not be so stupid as to actually do that, as... an insane number of Trump's core voter base rely on SSI ot SSA or SSDI... but obviously with the MAGA crowd, anything is possible.

Guess I can always teach English. Maybe if I can ever walk again I can guide tours.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 months ago

Feel a crushing sense of despair at the state of my country and probably get more involved in local issues.

[-] urtiscay@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

My plan is to leave the US my rent ends in November of 2025 so if trump wins I'm probably be leaving country

[-] OpenStars@discuss.online 7 points 5 months ago

If Trump wins: WWIII.

If Trump does not win: Civil war.

Maybe? Either one could have a few years delay.

Somehow we all are okay with him being the literal center of everything.

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