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[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 86 points 7 months ago

Bro, we need Glassdoor for renting...

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 36 points 7 months ago

I'll build it, just as soon as you figure out how it gets paid for.

Get paid by landlords to remove negative reviews, like yelp. Offer to show all reviews, even removed ones, to renters that pay for the premium service.

Ew, I feel gross after coming up with that idea.

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 7 points 7 months ago

It's a lovely pattern to look out for, your efforts to show just how ugly it is, are welcome.

For anyone considering implementing this: No.

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

shake down bad landlords to delete bad reviews.

charge landlords for priority in search results.

sell searcher info as marketing data.

sell search trends as financial early indicators to hedge funds.

expand to HOA reviews for neighborhoods.

[-] boogetyboo@aussie.zone 10 points 7 months ago

Real estate advertising, surely?

[-] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 12 points 7 months ago

Yeah. No.

"Advertise your rental property on the page where your tenants review you."

[-] boogetyboo@aussie.zone 7 points 7 months ago

Most retailer websites have customer reviews on them?

They could also promote houses for sale (not rent).

I think it works.

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

"I mean... If you really value your brand, you'll stand behind it? I can put you on the opt-out list though, so future tenants know you don't stand behind it. I'm offering value at a fraction of the cost of advertisement and you're paying for peace of mind."

[-] whoreticulture 6 points 7 months ago

Nonprofit ... crowd funded... build it and all you need afterward are paying for servers. Then you're just doing donations like Wikipedia. How much would would it cost to maintain such servers? Seems fundable by a wealthy liberal.

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[-] the_artic_one@programming.dev 9 points 7 months ago

For apartment complexes there's yelp/Google maps reviews.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I just left a building with 4.5 stars on Google that was an absolute horrific nightmare. Somehow they had gamed the system so that all the recent very negative reviews got mostly taken down or hidden. Do NOT trust Google reviews if you have any inkling the place is sketchy. (I did but the reviews and price were good)

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Those are shit though, on average. Only the very upset respond. You're going to have to figure out a way to make the satisfied show up.

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[-] aulin@lemmy.world 57 points 7 months ago

References for renting? What sort of dystopia is that? I've never heard of that concept, luckily.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

What country are you in? I thought landlord reference is the norm.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 7 months ago

not a thing i've ever heard of in sweden, either apartments are just expensive or you need to sign up for a waiting list and maintain your spot for like 7 years until you have the queue points needed for the apartment you want to rent

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[-] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 10 points 7 months ago

Never heard about it in Norway

[-] aulin@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I'm a Swede living in Denmark. Not a thing in Scandinavia, apparently.

[-] tarmarbar@startrek.website 5 points 7 months ago

Never heard of it in Croatia.

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[-] squeakycat@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

I'm having to do that now. Three years prior renting needs to be accounted for. I left on very bad terms with my previous landlord but I had to give the information over because it showed up on my history check and they refused to let my application be complete without it. So we'll see wtf is gonna happen...

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[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 41 points 7 months ago

Wait, you only have to give a reference for a place to rent? Here in Ireland (Dublin) you need a scan of your passport, government id, work reference, housing reference, and at least bank statements from the last three months.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

Depends on the market. Like New York City is competitive, I think they demand references because they have plenty of options for tenants. Other places maybe not so much. Whatever people can get away with they will do.

[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 13 points 7 months ago

What the actual fuck? You renting a basement apartment or applying for a mortgage?

[-] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

It's basically the same process. The ideal tenant is someone that can't afford a mortgage by the slimmest of margins.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Hang the land ~~lords~~ leeches.

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 6 points 7 months ago

Room or studio apartment.

https://www.daft.ie/for-rent/studio-apartment-1-dublin-20-dublin-20/5704336

"Verifiable reference’s essential Verifiable affordability essential"

The passport, government id, and work reference are all to make sure you can "afford" to live there.

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago

Some landlords will give good recommendations for shitty tenants, just so they can get rid of them.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

One guy I bothered every day about his other tenant stomping across my ceiling. That landlord gave me a fantastic recommendation because he was tired of having to do any effort whatsoever instead of just receiving money for doing nothing.

I saw that tenant as I was moving out, "I don't understand the problem, I always wore my indoor boots?" Fuck apartments lol.

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[-] CaptKoala@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago

Can confirm, had a friend rent a room in a house I was staying in (privately rented from the owner) after months of issues, he was given a glowing referee from myself and the owner, and swiftly ejected from the house. Guarantee it got him out the door a shitload quicker.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Catch 22 for everyone trying to move out of their parent's home when they specifically state the references can't be family.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 7 months ago

lie through your teeth, the landlord won't hesitate to blatantly lie so neither should you.

oh no no mr landlord sir, this isn't my dad, this is my "previous landlord"!

[-] sasquash@sopuli.xyz 6 points 7 months ago

just ask a friend and lie

[-] TAG@lemmy.world 32 points 7 months ago

It is an asymmetric relationship. The landlord only cares if a tenant can be trusted to pay rent and not trash the place. On the other hand, the tenant is getting a service (shelter and upkeep) from the landlord.

Like other service providers, an aggregate rating is probably more appropriate. Some people are fine as long as they have a roof and indoor plumbing while others rate 1-star if the water takes a minute to warm up. Some tenants care about kitchen appliances while others care about an updated bathroom. Some like to be woken up by the first rays of sun while others want a dark room to sleep in. It is important for tenants to both get a good aggregate of a landlord's quality but also understand if the landlord's faults are ones that they care about.

[-] LadyAutumn 40 points 7 months ago

Being a landlord is morally wrong. Shelter is a human right, not a service. The service that they provide is not calling the cops to evict you so long as you pay them. They don't otherwise provide you with anything.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 7 points 7 months ago

I agree with you by principle but there are those who have no interest in ever having a house of their own, either by personal or professional reasons.

Maintaining a house entails expenses, from current maintenance, to taxes and the eventual full overhaul because someone decided to trash the place.

I don't want to see people exploited to have a roof over their head and I'm a hairs width away from starting to actively trolling stupid people that think their busted places are gold plated to ask fortunes. But I don't want to see people be deprived of what is theirs and/or see it trashed by others that consider because they are there just for a limited time frame any concern for consequences is out the window.

Where are you writing from? Tenants have pretty strong protections where I live and an eviction is not a trivial matter here. And if people actually knew how to read, the law is pretty explicit on what is licit, both for tenants and owners (the word "landlord" sounds too much like feudalism to me to use it). Rent prices are high here but a poorly kept place can backfire so badly to the owners that they can see the rent not being paid in place of having work done on the house by the tenants.

[-] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 17 points 7 months ago

I agree with you by principle but there are those who have no interest in ever having a house of their own, either by personal or professional reasons.

A landlord-tenant relationship isn't the only way to solve this, though. A more humane way would be housing coops.

Maintaining a house entails expenses, from current maintenance, to taxes and the eventual full overhaul because someone decided to trash the place.

The primary purpose of rent isn't maintenance, though; it's profit. The concept of making profit by mere ownership is even called "rent-seeking".

But I don't want to see people be deprived of what is theirs

Well, I'm deprived of 30% of my wages. Why does my landlord need two houses, anyway?

And if people actually knew how to read, the law is pretty explicit on what is licit, both for tenants and owners

Wow, what a classist statement. Not everyone has the time/ability/resources to take advantage of laws protecting the tenants (guess who usually has more resources for lawyers; it's the one with more capital).

Also, you ignore the inherent power dynamics. My current landlord demands more rent than what is actually legal where I live. I didn't bring it up, because if I did, I would have risked having to look for a different appartment.

the word "landlord" sounds too much like feudalism to me to use it

It fits the congept of a feudal society quite nicely, though.

I wonder how much of the concept of tenants "trashing" the place is actually occuring. It seems to me like the occurence is highly exaggerated.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

the fact that most of the rent goes to pure landlord profit becomes obvious with municipal housing here in sweden, where we basically only pay for maintenance.

suddenly the rent is so cheap that the americans i've told it to just wanted to cry, 400€/month for a small apartment that's plenty big enough for a single person, and full on family apartments can be had for as low as 600€/month if you look around for a while.

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So, grocery stores are morally wrong? I mean, food is a human right, isn't it? What about hotels?

Providing a necessary service in exchange for money isn't morally wrong.

Not everyone wants to own property. It's a huge financial liability, and a pain in the ass, tbh. I actually know people who sold their homes and moved into apartments because they were sick of the time and money required to upkeep a house.

While there are absolutely landlords who are immoral, especially corporate landlords, saying that being a landlord is inherently immoral is just incorrect.

[-] LadyAutumn 8 points 7 months ago

I do agree that grocery stores are morally wrong in some sense yes. People should not have to lend their bodies in order to eat. Hotels aren't morally wrong entirely, because they're only providing a place to stay temporarily. If they did provide long term stay and charged for it than yes that would be morally wrong. You'll note that I'm an anarchist.

There is no such thing as a moral landlord. And the people you're talking about downsized. The landlord does not do repairs, he hires handyman and trades workers to do repairs. The landlord collects a tax from you while giving you nothing in return. My rent is twice the monthly cost of a mortgage for a mini home in my area.

When you have a mortgage the money isn't gone when you spend it, it's used to pay off your loan. When you're done you own the property.

I will never own this property. None of my money is returned to me. It is taken by a person or entity who literally does not provide me anything.

I'll repeat, providing shelter isn't a service. What the landlord is providing you, is not evicting you so long as you provide them a taxation of your wages that goes straight into their pocket. If all landlords died overnight nothing would materially change except for all the people renting could now keep their wages, and hire the handyman to do the work themselves. Housing co-ops also cover the costs of upkeep by pooling money to spend. No, landlords are 100% immoral 100% of the time and your buddy who's a good guy and a landlord might be a good guy but it has nothing to do with his being a landlord. Some cops save dying animals and volunteer at soup kitchens I'm sure, they're all still bastards by participating in a system of militarized state violence.

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[-] frank@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

I was thinking the same. Let me interview non-management members of the team to see what working there is really like.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Oh no it’s worse than that. I have mandatory binding arbitration so I don’t really have rights. Mind you that’s after the application fees and paying for my own background check, commonly used to strong-arm you into accepting horrible terms.

It’s that or be homeless.

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

naybe its time to buy abandoned malls and convert them to dormitories with shared kitchens

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 6 points 7 months ago

You know, malls were initially envisioned as fully indoor planned communities. It didn't survive long, but it was a way better concept

[-] bananabenana@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago
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[-] iegod@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

How is this weird, whoever has the power in a transaction is able to make their demands. Goes for anything that involves an exchange. Labour, housing, goods. This isn't insightful.

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[-] trk@aussie.zone 6 points 7 months ago

As a landlord... I would love this.

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[-] lugal@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

I think you're on to something...

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