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[-] Ferrous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 6 months ago

If we are to believe Biden at his word that Trump will attempt a fascist coup regardless of election results, why is he spending his time banning tik tok instead of truth social?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago
  1. Because there is a legitimate security reason to ban Tiktok, while banning Truth Social for supporting a fascist would run up against the 1st Amendment.

  2. Because there's rare bipartisan agreement on banning Tiktok due to the security risks presented by the Chinese government.

  3. Because the Tiktok ban is unrelated to the election. As evidenced by the normally hyperpartisan GOP being onboard.

  4. Because Biden is a democrat, small d, and believes that elections should be largely free and fair, and silencing the opposition is neither. Yes, including if the opposition consists of fascists.

  5. Because that would feed into the right-wing narrative of "The DEMS are OPPRESSING US" which can sway low-information voters with singular high-profile incidents repeated loudly and often.

[-] Ferrous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 months ago

Get real man. Tik Tok was never about China. It was always about silencing support for Palestinians. This is known.

Why do I feel like you're the type to argue that fascist rhetoric is protected under the 1st amendment? If you think fascists deserve a platform, you are the bad guy. This is liberalism.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It is known.

Not unlike common sense. Commonly held, and very often wrong, because it just appeals to the prejudices and preconceptions of the person repeating it.

Why do I feel like you’re the type to argue that fascist rhetoric is protected under the 1st amendment? If you think fascists deserve a platform, you are the bad guy. This is liberalism.

Because it literally is. Whether you agree with that or not, the ACLU has gone to bat on the issue and established the issue several times in the highest courts of the land. If you're arguing that Biden should be doing something he doesn't have the power to do, I don't know what to tell you.

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[-] Knightfox@lemmy.one 23 points 6 months ago

I've had this conversation with my SO. Technically speaking the best move for me as a white male would be to support Trump. Instead I vote for Democrats hoping for positive changes for all people. For most of my life I've thought I was "far left" for American standards, but since I've joined portions of Lemmy and Reddit you'd think I was a fucking Republican.

Certain portions of the left would rather spit in their own eye for unrealistic principles, even if it means that a worse alternative is the result.

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[-] cygon@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Well, meme, not just not voting, but actively using their energy to attack their allies and help fascism spread.

To my disappointment, all I see from the self-appointed "real left" are people stubbornly trying to get US members to stop voting for the Democratic Party. And dunking on liberals ten times before they say one bad thing about reactionaries.

There could be so much good tankies could do, but instead, they aid the fascists. They treat the ongoing genocide as a just a convenient issue to drive a wedge between progressives. When China was committing genocide on the Uyghurs, tankie spaces on Reddit were talking it down and passing around Chinese propaganda memes. The ongoing genocide by Russia in Ukraine seems fine, too, if not even largely met with approval.

I hope some of those pulled into this web and led astray will yet wake up and use their energies for something positive. For example, there are already states that have adopted ranked choice voting, which will let everyone vote, even for a fringe party, without risking a fascist takeover. It will show, black on white, how many progressives there are that would want politicians to move left. If it was to kick off, it is almost guaranteed to topple the current status quo.

[-] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 6 months ago

I'm all for the protest and the outrage over a genocide, it is all warranted. Biden is proving to be just as blood thirst as most of the politicians that fill D. C.. Come November I will still vote for him. The reason I will vote is due to Trump's in a different category of POS status.

Voting is very important but we focus too much on the presidential and we never look at local and state. We need to reevaluate what we are trying to accomplish. I believe the president position has ran it's course and needs to be done away. I believe we need a complete redesign of our federal and even state systems. Popular votes, rank choice, and possible EU redesign with states breaking up might be options.

Nothing should be off the table due to traditions and "what would the founding fathers think" arguments. 200 years ago we believed spirits caused mental health issues and cocaine helped soothe babies. Not smart by today's standards.

[-] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 19 points 6 months ago

If you think that the alt right is rising in other countries due to trump, that what the rest of us call American Exceptionalism

We've been at this since before your country existed you daft cunts smh

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