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[-] DemBoSain@midwest.social 102 points 11 months ago

Now imagine if you could use FIVE digits for something as important as a bank account.

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Even more hilarious is the number of banks that have online login systems that have a maximum length of like 12 characters for the password.

and then the 2nd factor? Yeah that's just another password.

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 13 points 11 months ago

I've met ones that restrict passwords to be 6–8 characters

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[-] techt@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

I use 8! My mom called me ridiculous for doing that :(

[-] Turun@feddit.de 48 points 11 months ago

It is! How long does it even take to type in 40320 digits?!?

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 months ago

I figure gotta be, at least 45 seconds!

[-] blx@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 months ago

She's right, 8 is not a very secure code.

[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 82 points 11 months ago

You can see that 19xx line continue at 20xx too

[-] puchaczyk 70 points 11 months ago

Now someone tell me which pin is the least common one so we all can use it to be safe.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago

The ones that are showing black dots.

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[-] Gobbel2000@programming.dev 67 points 11 months ago

The fact that every 4-digit pin is in this picture shows quite well how these are pretty easy to crack.

[-] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

Idk why you would be cracking a PIN code. They aren’t really typically used for online security (and shouldn’t be). And if your attacker is targeting you, the PIN code isn’t meant to stop them.

What it does stop is you finding a random card on the side of the street and finding the nearest ATM to withdraw all of the cash from.

[-] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

which will lock the card after 3 tries, so even if you are using your birth year chances are they are not going to guess it

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[-] Bubs12@lemm.ee 45 points 11 months ago

My bank just gave me a random PIN number. Choosing my own was not an option.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

I'd forget that so hard.

I used to be able to memorize random sequences of numbers when I was young, but my brain doesn't do that tedious shit any more.

[-] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Password manager is the way. It's recommended for all password related things anyway.

[-] techognito@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And good ones like bitwarden or keepass, not bad ones that get hacked almost yearly like lastpass

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[-] Flughoernchen@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago

I was able to change it, but once I found out I had the random one memorized anyways and changing would've been even more confusing.

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[-] AirDevil@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago

NCC-1701 is the ship designator of the Enterprise from Star Trek

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

This occurred to me right after I posted. But are there that many ST fans?

[-] AirDevil@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

It's pretty iconic and when you need to make a 4-digit pin quickly, it's something that stands out if you're a fan of the series. But as the heat map suggests, it may not be the most secure

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

I’m a fan of the series but it would never occur to me to use that as a pin.

[-] WolfLink@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It was an extremely popular show when it was new, and continues to have a cult following among nerds.

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[-] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 11 months ago

damn, 0451 is blocked from view :-(

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago
[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

*******

thats what I see

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[-] untorquer@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago
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[-] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 11 months ago

That reddit post is a repost too. Actual source:

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 11 months ago

There is also the original 'original source'. It includes a version of the picture without the labels and the axis flipped.

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 14 points 11 months ago

this is so much better. Always read the x axis before the y axis

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[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Looks like there is a bright at 2846, which makes me laugh. My pin is safe, though, at least in this graph, so I guess I'm good.

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 29 points 11 months ago

I imagine many are common based on their geometrical shape on the number pad.

[-] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

For my main card it is from the pin I used to reload my Gauntlet save at the arcade, which was based on an easy to memorize joystick pattern used to select the pin on the cabinet

[-] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 11 months ago

I wanna know what these black dots are. Forbidden numbers? Numbers the mind cannot guess?

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 months ago

If the bank is going to make me memorize both a unique 10+ character password and a 4 digit pin, of course I'm going to make a dead easy PIN.

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[-] GiveOver@feddit.uk 8 points 11 months ago

I spy 2112 in there 🤘🏻

[-] nucleative@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

White is most common and dark orange/grey are the least common? By how many standard deviations?

[-] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 7 points 11 months ago

Here's a question, would it be more secure to choose a rare pin number or a pin number that is extremely common (ignoring obviously bad ones like 1234, 4321, meme numbers, numbers with four repeating digits, etc)?

Logic suggests that picking a rare number is better than a common one, because common ones are the ones that people would try first when attempting a bruteforce attack. Yet at the same time, personally if I was trying to brute force a pin, I'd start with obvious choices like 1234, 4321, four repeating numbers and meme numbers, and then switch to alternating between common-rare-common-rare if I was trying to brute force a pin number (starting with the most common and most rare). That'd mean the pin numbers that are the most secure when it comes to brute force attacks would be somewhere in the middle.

Granted, 4-digit pin numbers aren't very secure considering there are a maximum of 10,000 combinations, and social engineering attacks like phishing mostly bypass the need to brute-force the combination entirely. As such, the effort would likely be inconsequential and pointless outside of not picking ridiculously bad pins like 1111, but I'm still curious.

[-] dmention7@lemm.ee 38 points 11 months ago

If your goal is to access a random account as quickly as possible, why would you ever try anything other than the next most common PIN?

It's not like Vegas where longer odds = higher payout. Less common PIN just means any given account is less likely.to use it, and therefore it's less likely to be correct on any given attempt.

If you look at it another way, the brightness of each square on that grid is the probability that there is a prize inside. If you wanted the most prizes as quickly as possible, picking the darkest avsilsble square is always a bad choice.

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[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As you said, 4 digits is not enough to make something secure to a computer. 10,000 permutations is milliseconds of computation.The only reason it's at all secure for a credit card is because you're generally only using the PIN for in-person transactions where there are more practical limits on attempts (Narrator: "After 2 hours and 632 attempts, the cashier began to get suspicious..."), if not hard cut offs from the bank/processor for failed attempts. If we're being realistic, as long as your PIN isn't in the first 3-6 numbers they can try, it's probably secure enough in itself. Theives want low hanging fruit. Easier to try to social engineer your PIN then to manually brute force it. As long as you're avoiding the most obvious first attempt numbers, go ahead and use your dog's birthday or your childhood home's address. It's fine.

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[-] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Set all pins to 6806, got it.

[-] JoMomma@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

Where is 4269 in this chart?

[-] Auzy@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago

Here in Australia, post code is also common

[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There's a noticeable bias to using 10,11, or 12 as either the 1st and 2nd or the 3rd and 4th digits too, especially where the other two digits are lower. Like 11XX, or XX12. Wonder if there's a conscious reason for that or just a notable unconscious human bias for some number combinations?

[-] Shellbeach@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

They are birthdate MM/DD or DD/MM

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