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Members of the software developer community have reported deleting or altering their posts to prevent them from being used by OpenAI.

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[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 220 points 6 months ago

People cheering on SOs demise don't realize what we're losing.

Support is moving to discord which sucks massive ass. Asking the same question over and over, hoping somone is around to help.

It sucks.

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 87 points 6 months ago

I never understood the move to synchronous communication for asynchronous questions. The ephemeral nature of discord is really a PITA. It’s like using IRC for a FAQ.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 72 points 6 months ago

Discord is honestly the most awful way to create a helpful community.

It’s a great way to give the 20 most active members of the community someplace to trample on top of newbies trying to get questions answered.

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 7 points 6 months ago

It makes sense if the issues being discussed are time-sensitive. Sometimes people need a solution now, not to open a bug report and hope that it will get a response an unspecified amount of time later.

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[-] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 66 points 6 months ago

And search engines are unable to index the questions and answers, so good luck finding the already answered question.

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago

Exactly. I really hate when people use Discord for stuff like this.

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[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 7 points 6 months ago

Pretty soon search engines won't be able to return anything anymore. At which point we might be looking for communities where live people can help with our issue. And if that happens Discord won't look that out of place anymore.

If you can go somewhere and have your problem solved do you really care that some schmuck later won't be able to find the solution written somewhere and will have to go through the same process?

[-] Kraiden@kbin.run 15 points 6 months ago

You're forgetting about the schmuck on the other end of that equation that has to answer the same question a thousand times over.

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[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Support is moving to discord which sucks massive ass.

It sucks but can you blame them? It's a natural response when people see that the old method (public posting and indexing) is being corrupted and grows increasingly irrelevant.

We're going to see more and more knowledge becoming insular and/or gated behind manual curation.

This doesn't necessarily have to mean Discord, can be private forums of any kind but private nonetheless. Discord may be the wrong tool but the problem it's being applied to is real.

[-] cyrus@sopuli.xyz 36 points 6 months ago

it sucks but can you blame them?

For picking discord I very much can blame them, I figure it won't be long until that goes down the drain too.

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Not to mention the people answering the questions are liable to just start accusing you of being an idiot if you make any less progress with their solution than "it's been fixed so hard that it gained five new functions I didn't even write into it!" I wrote a 3Js project once and ISTG the people on that discord had all the patience of a three year old who suddenly has to go to the bathroom the red second you've merged onto the highway.

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Once upon a time, they stepped forth from the forests of IRC, but back into those dark woods they then one day marched.

[-] Meltrax@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

I give it a few months before the Community tier servers' data is dumped and sold to an AI model company.

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

Discord is straight up unwelcome on corporate networks.

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[-] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 64 points 6 months ago
[-] jamyang@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago
[-] hellothere@sh.itjust.works 37 points 6 months ago

It's an old, bad, joke on the two definitions of revolting.

[-] KamikazeRusher@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

I think it would’ve been funny if the title was “StackOverflow contributors are revolting” and the comment was “a little more than usual.”

But hey, gotta get whatever amount of humor in while you can.

[-] Endmaker@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Looks like downvoters don't get the joke. I first seen it on the cover of Horrible History.

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[-] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 45 points 6 months ago
[-] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 36 points 6 months ago

Stack overflow still have users? These days it rarely shows up on my search results and when it does the answers are always outdated by several years.

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 51 points 6 months ago

Interesting, I still see it pretty consistently in the first few results in my experience and usually with a pretty recent one too

[-] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 18 points 6 months ago

What options are there to use instead? I think they’re still often having the best results, and are usually near the top.

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[-] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 6 months ago

But are they losing the first positions because they're losing relevance, or is it due to other sites abusing seo and search engines abusing from advertising results?

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 7 points 6 months ago

I'd say the former.

Many queries don't find relevant questions, and the relevant questions are often not answered properly. I often find the exact same problem I'm having, but the answers are just a bunch of those CV padders that post completely irrelevant answers based on a buzzword they saw while skimming the question.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 months ago

When I do find relevant answers, lately they're all so old that they no longer work, or rely on now deprecated functionality of a library or system.

Finding code snippets for interfacing with Azure through PowerShell is a crapshoot because Microsoft keeps deprecating different PowerShell modules for it.

[-] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 6 months ago

And so the enshitification continues...

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[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Time to edit all my answers :)

[-] Lath@kbin.earth 32 points 6 months ago

This title doesn't mention it, but it was reported earlier that users editing their past posts against this move get banned for it.

[-] dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Need to make sure the diff is small enough. A tiny change that creates a bug or makes the answer effectively useless is much worse than sweeping changes

[-] Plopp@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

But that leaves a lot of good code. The bad parts are very unlikely to appear in the AI results due to the amount of good code in the training set.

[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I got banned as expected. For a month. After I'm unbanned, I'll edit a few characters every day. Not giving up. As unlawful it sounds, apparently you are not entitled to ask them to remove all your data.

[-] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I did on Friday and within 5 mins they suspended me and reverted them all. I knew they would so I didn't care - I just did it so they'd see as many unhappy users as possible.

I then deleted my account of over 10 years with over 50k reputation. Fuck stackoverflow.

[-] kokesh@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Same reason for me. Take some of their time and say fuck you to them. But I will do crippling edits by single characters in one month time. I have time.

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[-] Anon518@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

I don't understand why you and others are so mad about this. Stackoverflow is a great resource that takes significant time and money to maintain. I don't have a problem with the maintainers making money by selling access to train AI on the data.

Having Stackoverflow as an alternative to reddit is important so that people aren't stuck using reddit.

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[-] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 12 points 6 months ago

I’m pretty sure they keep the revision history, so there’s no point in it

Correct. They banned people and then undid the changes.

[-] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's time for a federated version. How about "OutOfMemory"? It would fit because I always return to the same topics on StackOverflow.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[-] InternetPerson@lemmings.world 5 points 6 months ago

Stack Overflow, technically a neutral term. Idk though whether the name in such a context would violate any trademark laws even if it's a non-profit platform.

Snack Overflow

Nullpointer Exception

Access Violation

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[-] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago

Oh, look, it's Reddit all over again.

(Yes, yes, different reason. Same user response, though.)

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

God forbid someone get a JavaScript snippet that uses var instead of let or const.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

Me over here still using none of them, just straight raw-dogging my variables

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Total power move. If they’re global, your colleagues will know you’re the Beyonce of the band and can do whatever you want.

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[-] Shadowq8@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

time for users to shred their comments and posts

[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Okay but why? It's not like it's personal Data or something. I don't get why people are mad ._.

EDIT: Ofcourse you can downvote me but I'd really like an answer, tho. The article is not very clear about this.

[-] InternetPerson@lemmings.world 10 points 6 months ago

Because it's original work they contributed for free. Lending others that kind of expertise and time, just that it get's used by a machine learning algorithm, which aims to reproduce this, without giving it back to them or the community in a similar free manner, feels violating.
Apart from that, creators feel ownership over their content and it feels wrong not to be asked what happens to it. (Although those probably wouldn't – or shouldn't – use SO anyway, as their content gets commercialised anyway by giving it SO for free.)

[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Aaaaah okay that is somehting I can understand, thank you!

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