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Projection at Cal Berkeley (slrpnk.net)
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Projected last night at the Free Palestine Encampment at Cal, Berkeley. Colonial capitalism drives the war machine that bulldozes people from Gaza, to the Congo, to the Philippines. It’s important for solarpunks to show up in solidarity with native peoples against imperialism. Sustainability depends on the knowledge and stewardship of native populations. And, most importantly, Zionist punks fuck off! -

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[-] AEMarling@slrpnk.net 25 points 6 months ago

The good news for Zionist punks is they can do the right thing and stop being Zionists at any point, like that Jewish woman I saw at the encampment wearing a Kippah patterned like a slice of watermelon.

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The two most popular uses of "-punk" are Steampunk and Cyberpunk. One represents more of an design aesthetic than anything, and the other is defined by a hyper-corporate dystopia and is by far the more well-known of the two.

Why would anyone name a sociopolitical movement in the same vein, when the negative connotations are so obvious? Is this movement trying to fail?

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 43 points 6 months ago

Maybe in your small bubble, but outside of it there are people that actually still know what punk means.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 24 points 6 months ago

I'm old and I remember. Solarpunk is appropriate, pay no mind to the naysayers.

[-] Shalakushka@kbin.social 40 points 6 months ago

well, I was all set to agree with them about decarbonizing and deindustrializing, but then they had PUNK in the name, and I prefer my revolutionary movements to be more POLITE THANK YOU

[-] beardown@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

That's not their point. Their point is only that the name could be improved

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You do understand that the punk in those is referring to the counter-culture against the status quo, yes? Both steampunk and cyberpunk are anti-capitalist stories set in extreme capitalist society. One with an 1800's steam-powered aesthetic, the other with a 1980's tech aesthetic.

[-] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 30 points 6 months ago

Historically cyberpunk has been explicitly about resisting the dehumanization of hyper capitalism and learning to rebuild human connection during mass social traumas. Steampunk has a lot of roots in the conflict between unchecked industrialization and people fighting for unionization. Neither is just an aesthetic, both are critiques of abusive power through different lenses.

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 15 points 6 months ago

You do realize that the root is from punk, right? That there exists an anti-capitalist social movement that predates both of your examples?

[-] StrongHorseWeakNeigh@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

I think by far more people associate -punk with Steampunk which is generally a pretty positive association. Or maybe Vegapunk if you're a weeb.

[-] beardown@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Cyberpunk is definitely bigger than steampunk.

Aging tattooed millenials with handlebar mustaches who ride unicycles to stomp/clap/shout indie folk concerts within microbrewery basements notwithstanding

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 6 months ago

Boomers too.

[-] djsoren19@yiffit.net 3 points 6 months ago

Even though I know it's named after him, Punk Records gets a laugh out of me every time I see it. I can't help but think of all the Dead Kennedy records on Egghead Island.

[-] RandomGuy79@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I'm more concerned that they're stealing nazipunks and trying to gaslight the world into believing zionists are true nazis. If that were true those death reports would be so wild even Sudan would say woah

[-] perestroika@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Though the projection is about solarpunk, a side note about the situation in Gaza...

...recently, the UN demining agency (I've forgotten their acronym) published an estimate of war damage in Gaza. They assessed that there was "more rubble in Gaza than Ukraine". Since that seemed unbelievable, I consulted various sources, among them a review by the Lund University Center for Middle-Eastern Studies named Monitoring Israel's Destruction of Gaza from Space.

What I found out:

  • the UN measures war damage in kilograms of rubble per square meter
  • Gaza is tiny and densely populated
  • thus despite a hundred times less (approximation) munitions getting fired than in Ukraine, Gaza has massive damage to infrastructure
  • the rubble density is currently 300 kg / m2
  • the most damaged settlement is Gaza City (75% of buildings damaged or destroyed)
  • the least damaged settlement is Rafah (31% of buildings)
  • on average, 57% of houses are damaged or destroyed
  • war was waged in an un-evacuated city: this typically produces high civilian losses
  • the current estimate is 30 000, so Israel's response has caused 30 x more losses than the initial attack by Hamas
  • night time satellite photos suggest that electricity is missing in most of the strip
  • crop monitoring photos indicate that agriculture has mostly stopped (and irrigation is likely broken)

For me, journalistic photos from Gaza most remind of what happened in Grozny, the capital of Chechnia during the First Chechen War (disproportionate amounts of Russian firepower reduced it to a trash heap).

Since both sides are responsible for war crimes (Hamas at first and now Israel) and the military response has overshot any goal associated with justice, I support any action that makes the conflict stop. Hamas started this war, but Israel has gone far beyond sanity while responding. Later on, I think the leaders of both sides ought be brought before the International Criminal Court and answer charges of war crimes (which could take decades).

How to ensure another war won't happen... much harder without structural change in both societies. Considering the way Israel currently functions and how the Palestinian Authority functioned in Gaza (Hamas militants took it over, things seem better on the West Bank), there's a high chance that someone from either side could ignite a new conflict in future.

[-] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

We need a one-state solution but Israel has stopped every attempt at peace and reconciliation since before it was even a state. They purposefully funded Hamas and have taken key parts of the West Bank to prevent Palestine from having a state. They don't want peace. I don't know why that's so hard for people to understand, especially considering the violence they've been doing to Palestinians for years before October 7th. They put Gaza in an open air prison, cut off travel, electricity, food (they put them on a calorie limit - cruelly calling it putting them on a diet), sleep (the constant buzzing of drones made it difficult to sleep or study in Gaza and constantly traumatized them with stress and fear), Trash, water, etc. I hate the both-sidesing. Hamas is a response to horrible conditions. That's how they recruit. Israel needs to stop being an oppressor, they need to make the move or be forced to do it. It's not a both sides need to be nice kinda situation. One side is a response to the other side's violence and colonialism, one side is a symptom, not the cause.

[-] perestroika@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I agree that Hamas is a response to conditions. I do recall that a long while ago, Israel did fund Hamas, in hope of counterbalancing Fatah.

But, just like many other movements, Hamas seems to perpetuate the conditions which created it. Their rule is Gaza hasn't only brought a war with Israel, but also a suppression of democracy and repression of people from competing Palestinian movements (mainly Fatah).

Israeli forces do often act like they're a recruitment branch of Hamas, stirring up anger. I don't doubt it the slightest that Hamas has received many recruits because the IDF again killed someone who randomly got in their way (or again made the calculation that for a junior Hamas official, 15 civilian lives are OK to take).

But, despite knowing the above-mentioned - I don't see a way out of the long-term conflict without both sides changing.

As long as Israel behaves like it wants to destroy (or drive away) all Palestinians - there will be Palestinian politicians who call for the destruction of Israel and support terrorist tactics, with considerable support among the population, even if their rule is not democratic (the rule of Hamas in Gaza only started democratically). Meanwhile, fear of revenge and terror, fear of appearing weak and another Arab-Israeli war - this ensures that politicians in Israel who promise to deal harshly with Palestinians get votes and frequently attain power.

Since the conflict is now quite old (at least 70 years) and the fighting parties have lost a viable framework for solving it, they need either massive luck or considerable foreign assistance / advise / pressure to find a stable solution.

Re: one state solution: did you mean two state solution? Because I think - but I could be wrong - that Israel must somehow come to the point of understanding that a Palestinian state with a reasonably defined territory (not a patchwork-of-enclaves territory) can be their neighbour, but the current situation is unstable.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

One multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-religious democratic state from the river to the sea.

[-] perestroika@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago

Would be great if they could do it. But it feels like lower-hanging combinations could be easier to pick. :o

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Nothing is easier to pick, Zionism is as opposed to a two-state solution as a one-state solution. There's no difference to them.

They only want a final solution to the Palestinian problem.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

My dad's alma mater.

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