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Antivax quacks are continuing to make up fantastical biological mechanisms for COVID-19 vaccine “shedding” (sciencebasedmedicine.org)

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[+] Mastengwe@lemm.ee 55 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 31 points 4 months ago

It takes no effort to come up with made up antivax lines of reasoning since they don't have to be true. Disproving them takes much more effort so it's worth knowing the most common ones.

[-] Gigasser@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Disproving them can work if they are debunked by dedicated people. Education can work. It's just foolhardy to try to debunk them if you aren't some YouTuber who's dedicated to constantly debating and debunking these type of people. If you constantly educate people on why this stuff is wrong, less people may fall into this stuff in the first place, prevention is a necessary and doable thing.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 months ago

Disproving them won't even change antivaxer minds but it's more about not being caught off-guard by bullshit. Education won't fix it either. Those magical thinking movements are built on ruling elites being being proven untrustworthy time and time again.

[-] Gigasser@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

It won't change antivaxxer minds, but it probably would prevent those who would be affected by their rhetoric, woo, and misinformation. Those who are on the precipice of going antivax or full antivax. I've learned that you can't just think about changing the minds of those who you are talking to, because you probably can't change their minds, but you do have to worry about convincing people who are listening into that conversation.

[-] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf 1 points 4 months ago

The 1% manufactures this propaganda to fuel their culture war. It is only after the billionaires are unalive and the brainwashed people pass on will it end. Not a problem easily solved

[-] amio@kbin.social 1 points 4 months ago

Disproving them can work

[-] bluGill@kbin.social 12 points 4 months ago

We need ways to counter them. If nobody counters when they warn about whatever made up junk they have someone else will believe them. I don't know how to country them though - it is harder than you might think. There have been a couple real conspiracies in history and if they accuse you of being in one how do you prove you are not?

[-] ignirtoq@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago

People go through stages as they fall into the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. Early in the decent they are still engaging in healthy reasoning patterns that I won't go so far as to say are "logical" or "rational," but they are still flexible enough to be diverted from the conspiracies. There's always a reason they start down that path: maybe someone close to them got badly sick, maybe they just had a child and are seeking out the best ways to protect them. If you can sit down with them and engage with them on this underlying cause for concern in an empathetic way, that's when you can change their mind and keep them in the zone of legitimate science and medicine. If they react to every discussion as a confrontation, they are beyond the point that bringing scientific evidence to them will change their mind.

[-] amio@kbin.social 4 points 4 months ago

Arguably best way to counter misinformation is non-platforming it. Mere provable facts and impeccable logic have a dogshit success rate.

[-] bluGill@kbin.social 2 points 4 months ago

The problem is other platforms exist. not jst social media, but daycare dropoff or coffee shops.

[-] amio@kbin.social 2 points 4 months ago

Then what's your counter?

[-] bluGill@kbin.social 1 points 4 months ago

I wish I knew. So far I haven't seen one that works. It is despirataly needed.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 21 points 4 months ago

I saw vaccine pure blood bumper sticker the other day. I was quite disappointed.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

Hahahaha I had forgotten that they use terms like "pure-blood." Some even go so far as to believe that because they're unvaccinated their gametes will be in higher demand because they're "pure."

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Some people do. My wife’s friend said as much.

Her father died of the virus and she insists that the doctors secretly executed him for his conservative views. It’s really sad to see that she doubled down rather than face the reality of those harmful beliefs.

Ordinarily I think we shouldn’t judge how a person copes, but when those beliefs are actively harmful and when you integrate them throughout the rest of your life, you have some responsibility to face too. Decisions have consequences.

She’s highly educated and ex military. You would think if anyone would listen to reason…

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

You're preaching to the choir. My mother is like this too. She is deep in the conspiracy rabbit hole. Used to work as a nurse, really well travelled too.

It's bizarre to see her regurgitate q-anon BS when we're not even in the U.S.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

doctors secretly executed him for his conservative views

The sad and messed up reality is:

They believe this, cause they would do so given the chance…

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

It's a weird flex. The nobles in the past did the blood purity thing and turned themselves into inbred morons. It's how you know it's a fairy tale when it starts with a beautiful princess, because in reality they were all inbred nightmares.

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Didn't stop the Nazis from doing it too, and we all know what kind of morons these are

[-] lordnikon@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

i feel like 95% of these idiots have had the MMR shot when they were kids and don't even remember.

[-] seaweedsheep@literature.cafe 2 points 4 months ago

They're terrified of the mRNA vaccine. Because they're incurious about science, they think it's brand new, like invented just for this virus. Try telling them that the delivery mechanism has been around for awhile and scientists have been working on this vaccine since SARS and all they do is cover their ears and hum louder.

[-] Aecosthedark@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

The amount of people putting "unvaxxed" in dating sites is shocking. I mean i appreciate the heads up, like all aposematism, but it was genuinely surprising.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 7 points 4 months ago

At least they made it obvious that you shouldn't bother with them. Imagine you could instantly weed out everyone based on their bullshit beliefs already.

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 2 points 4 months ago

I see a lot of them on tinder.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 16 points 4 months ago

Minutes after completion, I felt an aching, throbbing, stabbing sensation on one side of my lower abdomen.

This is what happens when you have sex with a person vaccinated about 72 days prior, according to the nut jobs described in this article.

[-] Beetlejuice001@lemmy.wtf 6 points 4 months ago

Nurse here, they’re describing uterine fibroids which are often aggravated after, you guessed it, sex

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

That just sounds like normal orgasm!

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Maybe they're just mad that the first orgasm they'd been given was from a dirty vaxxer.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

That tracks

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

why not just call it what they think it is: Magic.

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I am really surprised that science blaming can still be turned into a cult in 2024

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

What is not understood can often be turned into horror, and by Odin do most people not understand shit. Mind you we are all ignorant of most things due to the nature of reality, the problem is assuming you know the unknown.

[-] this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

The more you know the more you realize what you don't know. If you don't know jack shit to start. And learn horse shit your still don't know jack shit. And the realization never hits.