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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 122 points 11 months ago

It's a dynamically-sized list of objects of the same type stored contiguously in memory.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 79 points 11 months ago
[-] ipha@lemm.ee 97 points 11 months ago
[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 40 points 11 months ago

So is a wedding gift registry.

[-] whereBeWaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No, this is Patrick!

[-] Fosheze@lemmy.world 77 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's a dynamically-sized list of objects of the same type stored contiguously in memory.

dynamically-sized: The size of it can change as needed.

list: It stores multiple things together.

object: A bit of programmer defined data.

of the same type: all the objects in the list are defined the same way

stored contigiously in memory: if you think of memory as a bookshelf then all the objects on the list would be stored right next to each other on the bookshelf rather than spread across the bookshelf.

[-] kbotc@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Dynamically sized but stored contiguously makes the systems performance engineer in me weep. If the lists get big, the kernel is going to do so much churn.

[-] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 15 points 11 months ago

Contiguous storage is very fast in terms of iteration though often offsetting the cost of allocation

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 7 points 11 months ago

Modern CPUs are also extremely efficient at dealing with contiguous data structures. Branch prediction and caching get to shine on them.

Avoiding memory access or helping CPU access it all upfront switches physical domain of computation.

[-] IAmVeraGoodAtThis 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Which is why you should:

  1. Preallocate the vector if you can guesstimate the size
  2. Use a vector library that won't reallocate the entire vector on every single addition (like Rust, whose Vec doubles in size every time it runs out of space)

Memory is fairly cheap. Allocation time not so much.

[-] yetiftw@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

matlab likes to pick the smallest available spot in memory to store a list, so for loops that increase the size of a matrix it's recommended to preallocate the space using a matrix full of zeros!

[-] tamal3@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Is that churn or chum? (RN or M)

[-] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago
[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Many things like each other lined up in a row, and you can take some away or put more in.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

It's how you want an array to work.

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 11 months ago

No, it's an n-tuple with certain algebraic properties.

[-] KidnappedByKitties@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

This is such an understated but useful description in this context. It's also how I understood algebra for applied matrix computation.

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I was just coming down from THC when I wrote this, so I'm extra jazzed you liked it. 😁

Edit: also, love the username.

[-] GnomeKat 4 points 11 months ago

Its the algebraic properties that are important, not all vectors are n-tuples, eg the set of polynomials of degree less than n.

You need a basis to coordinate a vector, you can work with vectors without doing that and just deal with the algebraic properties. The coordinate representation is dependent on the basis chosen and isn't fundamental to the vector. So calling them n-tuples isn't technically correct.

You can turn them into a set of coordinates if you have a basis, but the fact that you can do that is because of the algebraic properties so it's those properties which define what a vector is.

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think a better example to show how vectors don't necessarily need to be what people conceptualize as n-tuples would have been the real numbers. (Of course, these can be considered 1-tuples, but the same can be said of any arbitrary set element that is not itself a tuple with more entries.) A cooler example would have been R[x] (the ring of real-valued polynomials of a single variable) especially since an isomorphic ring using n-tuples would be a more cumbersome representation of the algebra.

[-] conquer4@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No. ArrayList is thread safe and implements the collections API. Vector doesn't. Though if you're using Java, there's almost no instance where you would want to use a Vector instead of ArrayList.

[-] DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

ArrayList isn't thread-safe, though...

[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Thread safe as in it raises an exception instead of breaking your list.

[-] DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Only if one thread modifies it while another one is iterating over it, if two threads try to modify the list at once there isn't any kind of synchronization and it really could break your list.

[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

For everything else, there's Collections.synchronizedList(new ArrayList<>())

[-] yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca 75 points 11 months ago

Did nobody else's CS department require a bunch of linear algebra courses? A vector is an element of vector space.

[-] droans@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

That is quite possibly the least helpful answer you could give.

[-] kureta@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

Also the most correct :)

[-] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sets are just objects in the category of Set.

[-] sexy_peach@beehaw.org 6 points 11 months ago

We do and we know this. Maybe programmers would give that answer

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

My university requires two for the CS program, as I recall.

[-] model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

Ooh, do tensors next!

You should ask your biologist friend and your physicist friend and your compsci friend to debate about what vectors are. Singularities, too.

[-] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 26 points 11 months ago

Singularities, too.

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[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago
[-] model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

It’s just a fancy list of fancy lists! :D

[-] RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago
[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 22 points 11 months ago

you just need to car and cdr your cons cell …

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 19 points 11 months ago

It's an array.

First time I heard of vectors in comp-sci was in C++. The naming still doesn't make sense to me.

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[-] 01101000_01101001@mander.xyz 3 points 11 months ago
[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago
[-] 01101000_01101001@mander.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

I know what a vector is in computer science; do you know why it's named that?

[-] joyjoy@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago

I asked my math friend. He said a vector is magnitude plus velocity.

[-] GnomeKat 41 points 11 months ago

It should be magnitude plus orientation, not velocity. Velocity itself is a vector quantity

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

As a mathematician this genuinely hurts. Lol.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

This might hit harder if it weren't for the fact that words very can have multiple senses

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