But I thought fascism was only going to happen if Trump is elected? Guess it’s already here, now what do we do??
I know!
let's not vote and get trump elected so that instead of just being arrested, these people are shipped off to a gulag.
That will fix everything!
This isn't fascism. These people will get a slap on the wrist and be sent home in a day or two. Under fascism these people would never be heard from again.
So punishing free speech and protest is not fascist provided that they are "only" in jail for a couple of days? Seriously?
Obviously cracking down on protests doesn't mean it's 1930s Germany but it's part of the same playbook, surely?
I'm certainly not defending the silencing of protest. It's just that all fascism is authoritarian, but not all authoritarianism is fascist. Fascism has a specific definition and it's a whole other degree of bad.
Fair enough. It is being used more colloquially in this case, you're right. I retract the accusation of fascism and substitute "an unjust authoritarian crackdown on the right to freedom of speech and expression, undermining the very tenets of democratic society. A national embarrassment."
would you be able to link to a page that helps describe fascism as you say: that relies on severity of consequence?
asking because whilst i agree that fascism is specific - and this doesn’t cover it - im not sure that degree of severity is part of the definition and that could be a dangerous precedent to set because the other parts of fascism about control and quashing dissent enable the severe consequences once they are present
This is fascism-lite. Just because people aren't disappeared doesn't mean it's not in the same category. And the only way we can hope to stop from getting to "actual" fascism is by resisting shit like this.
Exactly.
Fascism doesn't come in detended stages, it's tiny increments where the state seizes more power and restricts rights gradually until suddenly you notice that people are disappearing and everyones primary emotion is fear
Boot licker
I just feel the need to tell OP that they are appreciated for posting this, as well as their work in the comments section. Thanks.
Campus protests are close to my heart.
And not a single one of the articles OP posted refer to these as anti-genocide protests.
Every media outlet who keeps framing this as students supporting Palestine or opposing Israel is burying the lede, that these students wouldn’t be supporting or opposing anything if there wasn’t a fucking genocide.
Thats why after years of tiktok bans being non starters the shit suddenly happened in like a week - its the only platform they can't bully into censoring any mention of genocide.
I'm a Columbia alum. Thank you op for continuing to bring this story and similar ones from all over the country to Lemmy. Hats off to The Spec for still covering the situation on campus. Shefik somehow hasn't tried shutting them down just yet.
I'm still shocked to think NYPD was actually brought into South Lawn. Even there police chief said everyone was peaceful and they were only there because the president called them in.
People should really start linking images directly, or at least link to screenshots of that site instead of linking directly to it. I can't view this, and I won't bother if it's on that site.
That is actually insane, holy shit.
The more totalitarian a government is, the more the police become henchmen of the leaders.
Lol the OP missed the biggest part: journalists are being locked up for daring to photograph this shit
The police have ever been henchmen of the capitalist class that has ever ruled this country. Their core purpose is to protect the capitalists’ private property—historically including chattel slaves—and to discipline labor.
Now that we’ve reached imperialism, the monopoly stage of capitalism, the police are brutalizing anyone who stands between the capitalists and their imperial interests, in this case their interests in West Asia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_brutality#History
Early records suggest that labor strikes were the first large-scale incidents of police brutality in the United States, including events like the Great Railroad Strike of 1877, the Pullman Strike of 1894, the 1912 Lawrence textile strike, the Ludlow massacre of 1914, the Great Steel Strike of 1919, and the Hanapepe massacre of 1924.
The racist roots of American policing: From slave patrols to traffic stops
TL;DR: ACAB
Why is this escalating so much faster than the 1989 Chinese democracy protests or the 2019 Hong Kong protests? In those cases, it took weeks for arrests to happen and months for force to be deployed. Most law enforcement in those cases were unarmed.
Because Chinese police and military exist for different reasons than US police and military
Reasonably sure this is what the 2nd Amendment is for.
For real though, if the protesters all showed up open carrying rifles the cops would just stand back and watch.
NYU sending this to students they called the cops on apparently
PSC CUNY - Union representing CUNY staff and faculty
This is happening under Biden. There's a reason why bluemaga isn't calling Trump a fascist anymore.
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