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It started with notebooks, but that wasn’t the master plan.

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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 96 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The next product should be a sustainable, not publicly traded company. If investors take majority ownership and IPO, Framework's perceived mission will evaporate quickly in the inevitable search for ever growing profits. I sincerely hope Nirav and Co actually give a shit about the repairable product and retain majority shares. If not 👉👌...

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 75 points 1 year ago

Cool. How about a repairable phone with a headphone jack? I'll be a day one buyer.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

How about a repairable phone with a headphone jack?

The Framework 16 notebook doesn't even have a headphone jack, only a USB-C to jack adapter.

[-] Nighed@sffa.community 23 points 1 year ago

It's one of the slot in ones though right? so it doesn't really count - it effectively integrated.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It counts because the adapter slot cannot be used for something else. It is different with the smaller 13 inch model.

[-] HEXN3T 9 points 1 year ago

I don't even use built-in headphone jacks anymore. I use external DACs with 2.5, 4.4 and quarter inch. Good thing for me that I can get an extra port while others can use a headphone jack still.

[-] nezbyte@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Modular ports would be great. I’d love to have two USB ports on a phone rather than a USB and headphone jack.

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[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Repairable, open phone, you can load whatever OS you want. A phone that is more akin to a computer than a smartphone. A pinephone, but better.

[-] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

If you don't care about 3.5mm a FairPhone comes pretty close to that description.

[-] xor 13 points 1 year ago

Why not just use type c headphones?

The 3.5mm thing has always baffled me, it feels like complaining your pc doesn't have a VGA port, except the thing you connect costs like a fiver

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just replace my perfectly good $200 headphones that work in my (old) phone, my Switch, my 3DS, my laptop, my iPod, and my work phone.

It's so simple!

Seriously, even if you don't use it, why are you so against others having the choice? The headphone *jack was the standard for decades for a reason. If my phone is low on power, I'd like to be able to charge it without disconnecting my music/podcasts...

[-] DrRatso@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

But like, 3.5 to usbc is a 10 buck conversion. Tbh i see merit in double usb c over usbc and headphone jack, might be more doable too, the DAC prolly takes more space than an additional usbc

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A dongle is a workaround. The headphone jack just works.

[-] DrRatso@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I hear you, but a usb-c has more uses than one, the only real problem with a dongle is now is that occasionally you need to charge.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It's not a work-around, a headphone requires a DAC and an amp. In fact, my phone has a crap DAC causing artifacts in the sound. It's actually not to my benefit to have the jack because I'd get better sound with the external DAC which is transparent.

So the jack works, but the DAC you get can be whatever the manufacturer considers good enough.

DACs I can hear issues in:

My phone, my tablet, my desktop PC

DACs that are transparent to me:

My laptop, my $12 external DAC

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[-] 4am@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

At the time, there weren’t really many good options for replacement devices.

Using the charging port means listening to music and charging at the same time wasn’t possible.

Now we have split-cable dongles for power banks, and we have wireless charging when possible. It’s better but it’s not great; both have downsides, and accessories are more $.

Do they make type C headphones with a powerbank in them? Do I want a lithium battery that large on my head?

There aren’t many upsides for the consumer or the environment. Still seems to me like this isn’t even a lateral move. Internal components have gotten smaller and more efficient since, so that space could be reclaimed. I really don’t need my phone to be that thin, a phono jack next to the charging port would be just fine. The only real downside might be waterproofing but if you can make it work for the type C port…

[-] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

A Framework phone with 2 modular Framework sockets would be amazing. I don't care if it's thick. Make it repairable and support Linux Phone OSes like postmarketOS and I would absolutely buy it.

[-] pastabatman@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

Surely they are aiming for a repairable and modular smartphone eventually. That's going to be super hard to do. My guess is their next form factor will be a tablet.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Tablet is almost free, just don't have a hinge and have a touchscreen. Release as Chromebook, it will run Android applications

[-] mac@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago
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[-] pastabatman@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Chromebook makes sense. They could also do full on Linux. Star labs has a tablet coming out, so they don't have to reinvent the wheel for software (I assume, I haven't tried touchscreen Linux).

https://us.starlabs.systems/products/starlite

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[-] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Arm machines that are repairable to compete with Apple would be very cool in my opinion. Maybe team up with an integrator like sys76. Could be very cool. I’d personally line up to buy.

[-] buzz86us@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Would love it if they just had a shell that takes single board PCs

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[-] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 1 year ago

I'd kill for a 2-in-1 framework with a detachable keep board and pen

[-] misc@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago

Dm me i'll tell you the possible locations and id of the target the 2-in-1 framework laptop will be mailed to you after the kill is confirmed .

[-] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 30 points 1 year ago

i just cant escape the headphone jack jihadists even in this thread

[-] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 1 year ago

We won't rest until every washing machine has 2.5, 3.5, 4.4 and 6.35 jack sockets by default.

[-] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 5 points 1 year ago

I swear I'll start a startup producing 32.35 fleshlights

[-] ours@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

If it doesn't have both balanced and unbalanced jacks I swear there's going to be blood.

[-] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago
[-] ours@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It's the reasonable thing to do.

[-] potustheplant@feddit.nl 20 points 1 year ago
[-] devilish666@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

As long as the company itself doesn't become greedy and doesn't change it's mission & vision i always support it

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm waiting for them to offer a chassis to convert their laptop parts into USFF PCs. Reusing old parts after an upgrade is pretty attractive. I think they mentioned this a while back, I've been waiting for it to happen.

I'd also like to see a thunderbolt or oculink GPU bay part that would enable eGPU use with their machines.

And if we're wishlisting top facing speakers would be 🤌

[-] McNomin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Didn't cooler master come out with one a little while ago?

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[-] Eximius@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I thought they already offered 3d print models, you can just print out and presto?

[-] IllNess@infosec.pub 16 points 1 year ago

Tomorrow, it wants to be a consumer electronics company, period.

Patel won’t say — I only get the barest hints, no matter how many different ways I ask.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago

I want one with an e-ink display. That way I can swap out the e-ink display when I need to for a proper display. That wouldn't work on a normal laptop but should work for their uniquely modular design.

[-] brenticus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I'm curious to see where they go next. A lot of modern consumer electronics have repairability and upgradeability problems, but I also wouldn't expect they'd be able to crack into the phone market as easily as the laptop market, so presumably there's some more niche target they have.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

Please let it be a smart TV.

[-] xlash123@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

I'm sure a Framework phone is at least an idea for them to produce. Definitely an extremely difficult challenge. It would be nice if it allowed for removable RAM, but it could be hard due to SODIMM being relatively large or due to RAM being put on SOCs. I imagine it shouldn't be too much to ask for removable storage at least, given how small NVME drives can get. Upgradable SOC/motherboard is a must.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


That’s one of the biggest reasons it just raised another $18 million in funding — it wants to expand beyond the laptop into “additional product categories.”

Framework CEO Nirav Patel tells me that has always been the plan and that the company originally had other viable ideas beyond laptops, too.

Framework might choose an “equally difficult” category or might instead try something “a bit smaller and simpler to execute, streamlined now that we have all this infrastructure.”

(Patel recently suggested to Jason Carman that Framework might adapt its marketing to reach more everyday audiences.)

The company’s $9 million seed round paid for the original 13-inch laptop design, which has carried on for three generations of components.

Today, Framework has about 50 employees, and it plans to expand to 60 before the end of the year, with “a bit of additional team growth” in 2025.


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[-] Jonnsy@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago

It would be nice if they partnered with fairphone.

[-] crazyCat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Do they offer touchscreens for the laptops yet? I’ve been waiting for that to get one, I won’t get a laptop without it.

[-] Hotmailer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

This nonsense company is too expensive for regular people

[-] embed_me@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah I had hoped they would aim for a bigger market reach

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