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[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 120 points 9 months ago

Must be nice for the states to ignore federal laws and at the same time take in federal money. WAY MORE then they pay in.

Biden should revoke federal dollars to any state that refuses to follow federal laws.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

For being so red, you'd think they'd try not to be welfare queens huh?

[-] Woozythebear@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

No, Biden should send in the military and arrest politicians for treason for not following federal laws and encouraging and enabling others to not follow those laws.

[-] yoyolll@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

And thus deliver the election to Republicans on a silver platter.

[-] LadyAutumn 64 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's very nitpicky of me, but towards the end of the article, they discussed various factors hypothetisized to "cause transgender identity," and I hate that framing. Being trans doesn't need a root cause to justify treating us with respect and affording us human rights and access to health care that improves our lives. Nothing made me a woman. It's just who I am.

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 12 points 9 months ago

From another publication I would have said, it’s the same recycled bigotry trying to paint LGBT identities as being something wrong that needs to be cured - either a (wrong) choice, or a medical condition, etc.

From this publication I would have expected greater care to avoid phrasing that makes this kind of categorisation.

[-] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

That touches on a subject a lot of my gay friends talked about with me. Most didn't want science to find "the gay gene." They didn't want there to be any reason for them to be who they are. They just are. They also didn't want to have something tangible bigots to point to as to why they are "wrong."

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

But isn’t this the same situation with other discrimination like racism? There are genes creating the differences we call race, but does that change how we should treat people? Yes, it’s. Problem that’s not solved but at least we know what should happen

[-] LadyAutumn 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I agree with them, very much so. There is no benefit to this kind of research because it's based on a false premise to begin with. Gender does not correlate with biology at all. It's part of who we are as people. There is no cause of transgender identity, and even attempting to find one is flawed. The transgender experience is not universal, and there is a vast amount of differing feelings and experiences amongst even just binary trans people. Any attempts to find a "cause" are really just attempts to find new justifications for gatekeeping trans people or subjecting trans people to conversion therapy.

I am, by and large, against the further reduction of trans experience to a medical one. We aren't diseased. We are fortunate to live in a time where we can access care that improves our lives tremendously. There is a very real medical component to treating dysphoria. But being transgender is not a disease.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

It is very difficult to list situations where more knowledge leaves you worse off. In any case does it really matter? We had bigotry long long before we even had a concept of evolution. People don't start from facts and develop theories, we do the opposite.

For what it's worth as of now the monotheistic religions are falling in numbers in the West so things could get better

[-] LadyAutumn 2 points 9 months ago

It's not knowledge, though. It's assuming an outcome "there is a reason transgender people are transgender" and then attempting to match different things to that outcome. It's based on the incorrect belief that gender is rooted in biology and that, therefore, any trans person must be biologically broken in some way to identify the way we do. A simple glance at the vast array of different transgender people with many different and distinct experiences is evidence that there is no root cause. That being trans is just who we are.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Of course there is a reason behind it, there is a reason behind everything. We might not know what it is, it might be really complicated, but it is there we just have to find it.

Believing in a cause and effect view of the universe is not the same as a value judgement. If science finds out what makes X happen it says nothing about the value of X.

I really don't see the issue here. The monotheistic people who hate trans people are always going to hate trans people and not give a shit what the science says.

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I think there is one concern that cant be argued against: if a genetic basis were found, that opens the way to parents selecting against those genes in their unborn children. Like... imagine parents or the government deciding that theyd very much like to eradicate LGBT people before theyre born and having the capability to make it happen.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Not sure I really want people like that being parents. If you view children as a status symbol and anything your "friends" view as an imperfection is unacceptable to you then what kinda parent are you going to be?

But to be fair my narcissist mother would sometimes not totally suck.

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Thing is... they are going to be parents. They just wont be parents to someone that is LGBT. Its eugenics.

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[-] LadyAutumn 2 points 9 months ago

But transgender isn't an outcome, you're still not understanding. Transgender people are not fundamentally different from any other group of people. We just are transgender. Some of us don't even have dysphoria or seek out medical transition. The cause is entirely relativistic and unique to each transgender person.

Transgender isn't a property of a person it is a description of their relationship with the gender society assigned them.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

The cause is entirely relativistic and unique to each transgender person.

Cool. Thank you for confirming that there is a cause. As you might have noted I already said the cause can be complicated. See an object on the floor. There might have been a million ways it could have gotten there, there still was a single way it got there for a given object. A --> B.

Transgender isn’t a property of a person it is a description of their relationship with the gender society assigned them.

Doesn't change what I said even slightly. Something only has a particular length due to it's relationship with the standard unit of length. Got a 3 meters long thing? It is related by multiplication and "3" with the meter. Philosophy got this totally ass backwards when it tried to view relationships as distinct from properties. As if there could somehow be movement without matter. And breaks emergence.

Besides which even if being LGBT was completely relational instead of intrinsic it wouldn't mean much. The parent child relationship is relational and it could be studied just fine.

[-] LadyAutumn 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Trans people are not a phenomenon examinable in the same way as the laws of physics or observations about the natural world.

Gender is socially constructed. It's a thing humans came up with. That doesn't mean that it's not real, but it does mean that how we examine it is entirely independent of biology. I don't know why I am transgender. It's perfectly possible as a child I just decided I wanted to be a girl and here we are. Does it matter whatsoever? Does it change literally anything? What if it's not true, what if I just decided one day as an adult? Just woke up and thought hey I'd like to transition because that sounds fun and I want to. Am I still transgender? What about agender people, or people who withdraw from gender entirely and refuse to participate in it? Are they the way they are for a reason?

Why do you like the color blue? Why do you hate the taste of certain foods and love others? Why is your favorite book your favorite book? Is there a scientific reason for those things? Can we scientifically examine why your favorite book is your favorite book and then create a theory that whatever we came up with causes people to have that book as a favorite book? Gender is an abstract concept not routed in anything biological. It appropriates biology to justify its own existence. But it is not biology.

Being LGBT has no cause. We come up with our own personal explanations for it. I personally do not and never will. I dont give a shit and am aware that any explanation I come up with is ridiculous and unfounded because being trans isn't anything specific. This view that transness is some kind of intrinsic property is not true and is not founded in any observable evidence.

You may want to look into trans people some time. Read some shit on google. You don't seem to really get it, and I'm adverse to having someone repeatedly tell me I'm wrong about something I have personal experience with.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Your entire comment is special pleading. You, like the free willists and theists and spirituality types, want a supernatural explanation for something while conceding that everything else doesn't need one. You plead for a special exception.

Sorry, doesn't work that way. All we are is matter and energy. No God, no Spirit, no ghosts, no kabbalah, no astrology, no supernatural, no Jesus loves the little children. Just the universe as it presents itself to be.

Don't waste time on anyone who tells you not to think, not to research, not to learn, and to accept them on faith. Which is exactly what you are doing right now.

[-] LadyAutumn 2 points 9 months ago

Idk why the fuck youre talking about religion. Never mentioned anything supernatural whatsoever. It's amazing to me how you are so blown away by the concept of gender, that you think we must be describing something supernatural. I am not religious, never thought that would have to be said in this conversation lmao.

Whats your fav book? Scientifically explain to me why that book has the property "afraid_of_zombies" favorite book. Gender has a much larger impact on our lives than that property, but it is still an abstract property detached from biology in any way.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

You used the same arguments as the religious. They demand that science can't study their stuff and you do the same, they claim irreducible complexity and you do the same, they use the argument from ignorance and so do you.

You are a theist without a bible

[-] LadyAutumn 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nice that you haven't actually responded in any material way to anything I've said, and have instead resorted to stomping your feet and having a tantrum claiming that I'm making supernatural arguments without even bothering to explain how I'm doing that.

You need to research these things before getting yourself into pointless arguments with people who are more informed than you about them. I transitioned nearly a decade ago. I have been a part of trans discourse essentially from the very beginning. I am also a student in psychology. Human cognition does not work the way you seem to think it does.

[-] Silentiea 1 points 9 months ago

It's based on the incorrect belief that gender is rooted in biology and that, therefore, any trans person must be biologically broken in some way to identify the way we do.

That's the trick, isn't it? Of course I'm trans because of my body, my society, my physical world. But that doesn't mean me being trans is wrong or broken at all. I'm a woman because of my body and my society and my world just like every other woman is. Literally every one of them. Only difference is how long it took everyone to figure it out.

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago

last i checked, the root cause for being trans was "being trans" but fuck if i know, i'm not a scientist lmao.

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[-] drmeanfeel@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

Ladies and Gentlemen, the "party of law and order"

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 3 points 9 months ago

"Rules for thee and none for me" the Republican party...

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

Louisiana tells trans students to make shit tons of money in lawsuits.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Just a quick reminder that the Democratic governor of LA term-limited out recently, and the batshit MAGAt morons are positively crapping themselves to enact the most fucked up laws they can possibly cram into one legislative session.

This isn’t an outlier, LA has been 100% befucked by republiQans. Being solid red isn’t new, but not having any decent reasonability or counter is relatively new. These fuckers aren’t just racist and cruel, they’re utter fucking morons.

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Louisiana politicians are good at ignoring things. Like bad hygiene and incest with their siblings.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

These boil my blood. I just moved to La so my tax dollars fund them.

[-] MaXimus421@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

A tax payer putting money, involuntarily towards something they disagree with.

Oh, the horror..

First time being a US citizen?

[-] ____@infosec.pub 16 points 9 months ago

[t]he new rules likely conflict with the state's...

Great, because it's already settled law who wins that battle.

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

With a sane supreme court yes. But youre forgetting that we dont have that right now.

[-] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 months ago

So what are the consequences for breaking this law and why aren’t they being given?

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Federal investigation and lawsuits, per the article.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 8 points 9 months ago

How law and order of them.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Oh look Christianity brought a friend to help with their lawsuit.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago

ah sick, crimes, who could pay attention to those. No big deal.

Is that a dead body? I don't even know her!

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