It's not a protest if it doesn't inconvenience who you're protesting. All real protesters are arrested, because they inconvenience power (who have but the way made all inconvenient protests illegal).
I'm proud of these guys for standing up for what they believe in. Solidarity.
Protest should intend on being an inconvenience, though arrest should be avoided if at all possible. It absolutely kills longevity and leads to people making arrest a core intention while rambling about non-violence. Really what you want is to have strategy and numbers that spook cops enough to not bother because they won't if they think its going to be too much trouble for them.
Agreed. I didn't mean to imply arrest was the goal but rather a common side-effect of effective protest.
Most protest arrests in the US are released the same day or the next day. Nobody looking to make a movement is getting taken off the board.
Of course the people in power do keep trying to change that. But as of yet, they've been unsuccessful.
Sounds like they were arrested for trespassing because they were protesting inside the CEOs office amongst other places.
At stake is that this cloud technology will be used for military applications by IDF and ultimately help perpetuate genocide .
Inconveniencing protests that go unrecognized or are criminalized lead to the next step: industrial sabotage.
Maybe Google needs to lose a few servers to captured NSO malware.
Google: don't be --evil--
Well they actually changed the motto because "don't be evil" was too ambiguous. The motto now is "do the right thing". It's now okay to be evil, as long as you're "doing the right thing".
Yeah, of all the things google has done, rewrite "don't be evil" is really not one of them. Didn't their parent company also pick up the motto as well?
"Do evil and hide it for long enough such that people can't do much about it later when they find out about it"? DEAHIFLESTPCDMAILWTFOAI for short?
Use two tildes (~) before and after:
Google: don't be ~~evil~~
Google: don't be ~~evil~~
more like google: ~~dont~~ be evil
I don't know, I kind of like the idea of someone deciding their company motto is to not exist at all.
Don't be? Evil! A la Lionel Hutz
Say hello to Miguel Sanchez.
Who would've thought an evil company would mistreat its employees. They literally work for a corporation whose main business involves violating your human rights, if they really care they wouldn't have worked there in the first place.
Instead they should just work for all those good companies that's everywhere under capitalism. Workers don't have a say in company policy and companies are as bad as they can be. The fact that nestle murder more people than Fazer , isn't about that one is more "evil" than the other, it's what they can get away with. Evil is a childish concept.
Am I being an idiot for thinking that protesting like this, when the union is relatively small is counterproductive? I'd think I'd want to represent the majority of the workers, then protest or outright strike which will halt the cloud operations they want to halt, if that's what the majority of union members vote to do.
Doesn't matter, even if it was just two workers it's still protected concerted activity which is illegal to retaliate against.
I'm sure they'd love to have enough supporters to do a general strike, and those have been proposed and attempted over Gaza. Unfortunately, opposing Israel's genocidal actions is not the mainstream view... especially being opposed enough to participate in activism. With only a handful of people, these sit-ins were able to disrupt the company and make news.
So You think they shouldn't have done anything, because the union is not big enough? Moral is not an option with a small union? Am I getting this right?
I think it depends on the goal. If I'm trying to stop a corporation from doing something profitable a large union, one that contains most corpo workers, including the ones producing this profit, can strike, halting the production that generates this profit. The union could do this for a moral reason. If the union however contains for the sake of argument 1% of the workers and none of the ones doing the work in question, then staging a protest can't force a stop to the morally reprehensible production. It also makes this 1% an easy target to get rid of thus making it harder to organize more workers needed to stop production. So if I wanted to gain this power over the corpo, I would probably protest outside of union capacity.
E: They're already gone..
Yeah, american employee protection sucks ... Where I live you could easily fight being fired for this. So maybe thats where our different stances come from.
If there is a criminal charge or conviction I think you would be fired in most countries.
This is probably why they called the cops, so they can fire them for an obvious cause and not have to deal with any questions.
What would be the crime here? Am I missing something? Protesting is not (or shouldn't be) against the law, as long as you don't behave illegally)
Reports seems to indicate that they were arrested for trespassing.
Ah that, yeah they were in the CEOs office. That might be misdemeanor, but is it a felony? Pretty sure you couldn't be fired for this here.
Does this mean there are new open positions at Google?
"Hmm, these people got arrested for being against genocide. Sounds like a great place for me to work!"
I sure hope you're joking
You may underestimate the ongoing desperation for paid full time work with benefits in the US.
A lot of folk are one paycheck, one tragedy, one road accident or severe sickness away from homelessness.
And homelessness is already criminalized in some counties.
Well, I probably cannot get in there anyway so it's a bit moot. Plus it would mean a major relocation. But yeah, I'd happily work on an Israel contract.
Wow, that's disgusting. Have you no morals? Shame on you.
"I sold my moral compass to ~~Lockheed Martin~~ Google for 90k/year and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt"
$200k a year and a pizza party are what his morals are worth, apparently.
Are you trying to be funny?
Are you? You have zero issues with 10s of thousands of innocent people being murdered?
Some of us can resent the genocide committed in the name of our state and civilization, or condoned by our state, while simultaneously being desperate for our personal welfare and also fearing the rising trends of genocide in our own nation, hence we may not only work for genocide-supporting companies to stay alive, but also vote for genocide-condoning neoliberals to vote against fascists.
I hate being in a position like this (and personally don't have to work for any company) but here in the States were imminently fucked and only pushing the fuckery down the calandar.
And few Germans from the days of the reich were forgiven, so I suspect in the aftermath only those Americans who were fed to our detention centers and prisons will ultimately be forgiven, if even them.
If you're so desperate, work for a restaurant or something. Google isn't your only option, I've lived in the high-cost-of-living bay area with all sorts of jobs, including minimum wage jobs. You can make it work without working for Google ffs
position to be removed as downsizing opportunity following termination
I am seeing a lot of comments on here but the context not being mentioned is that they were protesting while clocked in or working on the clock.
Google is technically in authority to do that. The article is worded a bit out of context to make the act of protesting an a big company we all find to be evil more evil for letting employees go that were wasting company time.
I get it before you even type it I understand Google isn't short on money and the time portion won't effect them but has the employees protested while clocked out this would have been a less likely outcome and I also get it, "yeah they would have fired them anyway." Sure believe what you want but it doesn't take away that Google had the authority to fire while the employees were in their time no matter what they were protesting. If I did this at my job and was getting paid they would fire me as well.
EDIT: Lemmy is Reddit but it's full of users in denial.
Confidentially incorrect: at Google there is no clock in and no clock out (for employees, contractors is different). At Google you can work 1h per day or 20h per day you earn the same. Performances are assessed on the output not on the hour worked.
So, no, find another reason for which Google is right. Popular topic is “they disrupt other people work by making noise” (of course people can work on a laptop in another place because there is generally no special equipment at the desk but details) or “they destroyed properties… you cannot see in the picture but they destroyed millions of precious bacteria on the floor”
That's the point of protest. The rules are made to keep the status quo, not be good. And some rules suck balls.
It wouldn't be a very effective protest if they did it on their own time lol
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