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submitted 8 months ago by anticurrent@sh.itjust.works to c/opensource@lemmy.ml

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Are you guys fine with these new shenanigans from Github. I found a bug and wanted to check what has been the development on that, only to find out most of the discussion was hidden by github and requesting me to sign-in to view it.

It threw me straight back to when Microsoft acquired Github and the discussions around the future of opensource on a microsoft owned infrastructure, now microsoft is exploiting free work from the community to train its AI, and building walls around its product, are open source contributors fine with that ?

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[-] INeedMana@lemmy.world 141 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Microsoft acquired Github and the discussions around the future of opensource on a microsoft owned infrastructure

Personally I'm impressed it took them so long to start driving it to the ground

I moved to Codeberg

Codeberg is a non-profit, community-led organization that aims to help free and open source projects prosper by giving them a safe and friendly home

[-] intrepid@lemmy.ca 19 points 8 months ago

Personally I'm impressed it took them so long to start driving it to the ground

You mean their copyright washing of FOSS projects using copilot wasn't enough of a warning?

[-] INeedMana@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No, that is actually useful. Blocking access for anonymous users is not

If anything, the boom of LLMs like copilot and chatgpt actually shows the power of open source and open access to information. Underlying algorithms would mean nothing without open source, open access to stackoverflow, forums, etc

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 106 points 8 months ago

Federated forges can't come soon enough. Git is already federated. There is absolutely not fucking reason for this.

[-] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 45 points 8 months ago

Git is already federated.

New to me. Do you mean decentralized instead of federated?

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 40 points 8 months ago

Distributed version control system

[-] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 35 points 8 months ago

I would not say that distributed is federated. But i could not find a widely accepted definition of it.

For example i would call FTP also not federated🤷‍♂️

[-] sunstoned@lemmus.org 21 points 8 months ago

Agreed. That said, with a few remotes and a cron job git could facilitate "duct tape and zip ties" federation.

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago

Exactly. There's no way that could ever go tits up.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

Eh, in a myopic sense yes, but folks are using Microsoft GitHub for their CI, issue tracker, forums, kanban, Wiki & so forth. By choosing their Markdown fork, you are locked into that too. Some communities like Elm, Unison, Nix use MS GitHub as your primary community identifier (Elm doesn’t even allow you to create packages on another platform). Many tools only allow MS GitHub single sign on. If you fork off of MS GitHub, in most scenarios you’ll still be required to have an MS GitHub mirror or you won’t be able to submit a pull request as most projects don’t have an alternative contribution channel.

Some of this can be migrated, some of it can’t & the whole time being entrenched in MS GitHub land projects will fear friction & loss of users/contributors if they move (& the platform they would move to likely isn’t offerering anything more than being open source).

So can you just move the code elsewhere since Git is a DVCS? Yep. But projects are more than just the source code.

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[-] foster_hangdaan@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Can't wait for the day when I can collaborate with all my Forgejo homies.

[-] talentedkiwi@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago

Forejo-mies?

[-] s1nistr4@lemmy.world 43 points 8 months ago

Honestly I don't think there's a truly good git hosting website right now.

GitLab works if you wanna get away from Micro$oft but the UI is all over the place. Every other alternative either has an infinitely worse UI or charges money to use

[-] liliumstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 8 months ago

What about codeberg? It is free and forgejo is easy to use.

[-] eos 6 points 8 months ago

i <3 codeberg

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 25 points 8 months ago

I've been enjoying Codeberg a lot lately.

[-] AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Yeah, Codeberg's UI is almost the same as github, its good tbh.

P.S. i came to the conclusion that codeberg/github UI is good, when i went to sourcehut. Holy crap, my mind couldnt comprehend what am i looking at. (Could be a skill issue tho)

[-] MichaelTen@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

And forgejo may go Fediverse ....

https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/59

https://forgejo.org/2023-01-10-answering-forgejo-federation-questions/

https://forgefriends.org/blog/2023/06/21/2023-06-state-forge-federation/

https://forgefed.org/

[-] gianni@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago

SourceHut is crap. I've found that just because something is open source it doesn't mean it's automatically good.

[-] ziby0405@lemmy.ml 14 points 8 months ago

codeberg, sourcehut, git.gay, cgit...

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[-] mint_tamas@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

I went from a company that used github to one that uses gitlab. I thought it was going to be great and was excited for using a new thing. But it’s really clunky in comparison.

[-] Reawake9179@lemmy.kde.social 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm fine with it so alternatives will be used more in the future.

[-] intrepid@lemmy.ca 19 points 8 months ago

I'm not as optimistic. Some people will complain and move to alternative platforms. But the vast majority won't care and continue using the abusive platform, forcing the rest to use it sometimes. The best example for this is Reddit and Lemmy.

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[-] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

This is why enshittification might be a good thing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[-] mark@programming.dev 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. How can you steal something that the customer cannot own?

By stealing it? You dont have to own something to steal it. Or maybe I'm reading that wrong. Lol it's a very interesting take but I like the spirit of it... And it made me laugh. Cool 😎

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[-] Gooey0210@sh.itjust.works 39 points 8 months ago

Don't forget you're contributing your code to Bill's AI

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Which is under litigation https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 18 points 8 months ago

This is exactly why I add a non-commercial license to my comments. If courts decide that Github was in the wrong, then there's a chance commercial AI makers just scraping the web might be on the hook too.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

Everything I write on my blog is NC. Realistically, this should be built into the metadata of the comments just like language as I’ve seen some folks get harassed for trying to license their online comments when this is an acceptable thing to do & a nice act of rebellion. Honestly I wish there was more room for things like the Peer Production License & Prosperity License for code to remove the commercial exploitation, but FSF labels in “unfree” & it’s GPL-incompatible so it is treated like cancer when really it’s like Creative Commons Noncommercial but for source code as it’s still allowed to be used by individual workers, nonprofits, etc.

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 5 points 8 months ago

I've given up discussing with people who don't understand this. They are reminiscent of those who mocked people who cared about privacy before Snowden's revelations, found out they were being spied on, and then inhaled the copium of "I've got nothing to hide".

As for NC licenses on text, IMO it has to be in the text otherwise it's too easy clean, but tbf, obvious text like mine is probably easy to clean too.

Anti Commercial-AI license

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[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 29 points 8 months ago

No, that's why we host our own gitea.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 24 points 8 months ago

Or Forgejo, or cgit, or Aylla, or Radicle, or SSH+HTTP server. There’s loads of options to try. And this is just the options for Git—not to mention the other DVCSs worth looking into.

[-] XTL@sopuli.xyz 29 points 8 months ago

https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/

[-] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 8 months ago

Anyone want to revive the GitTorrent project?

https://github.com/cjb/GitTorrent

[-] shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 8 months ago

I hope github "enshitifies" to bankruptcy

Let's use codeberg :))

[-] greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

and or sourcehut @ sr.ht supporting foss is always based.

[-] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 13 points 8 months ago

I know people don't like sending patches to mailing lists and prefer the zoomer PR UI but god damn if you look only at the protocol openness perspective nothing comes close. sr.ht is great in that regard

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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago

Anyone else remember when MS bought github and a LOT of folks were saying this is where we'd see that they have changed and won't fuck things up this time because Nadella is so much cooler than Balmer? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[-] mynamesnotrick@lemmy.zip 9 points 8 months ago

Just another silly thing related. I tried to view the magnolia bypass paywall clean on gitlab the other day (after it had the DMCA takedown) and my gitlab account got "blocked". Maybe because I was also on my VPN? Or was it because I viewed that repo? I have no idea. Total shit.

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

My hot take is the quickest way out of this quagmire is to abandon Git. With the education system & bootcamps raising the next generation to think MS GitHub is Git, it would probably be less work to start rolling with another VCS as megacorp Microsoft won’t have the agility to pivot away from Git. Git isn’t even that great—arcane CLI, patches don’t commute, basically permanently locks in your name & email, large files require a separate tool, etc. And most of the popular alternative forges are literally just trying to clone MS GitHub rather than invent something new or solve the shit problems it doesn’t like threading, pull request model sucks, source code doesn’t need to be a social media platform with gamified stars & anxiety-inducing activity charts to encourage that MIT code in your free time the corpos will use & never contribute back while demanding you use it to build your résumé… or it’s built on email as the common denominator with fingers in ears as if mailing lists are the optimal workflow for all projects when a majority of folks don’t even know how to bottom post & keep their mail with the same evil Microsoft or the other evil Google. Nothing is being bold enough to actually have a better user experience—currently the best lure is… free software, but worse UX? Being a better UX the Microsoft GitHub is not a even that high of a bar. Some folks claim “network effect” but it seems clear that a lot of folks already want out.

Nah. Start anew. Check out Darcs, Pijul, Fossil, Mercurial, Bazaar, or whatever else is out there. Build on the ideas that improve version control.

[-] heyoni@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago

git isn’t even that great…

What? Th E fuckv

[-] toastal@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Have you tried anything contemporary to or newer than Git (i.e. not CVS or Subversion)? It’s quite an anomaly that Git has held it’s reign as long as it has compared to other software & to assume it’s not worthy of criticism or isn’t regularly criticized online is delusional. There has been a lot of interesting work in VCS space that many have ignored since their heads are just stuck in the Git bubble. Was Git better than things before it? Mostly yes, but there are options now (& around the same time frame) with more ergonomic CLI, better conflict resolution, handling of large file blobs, better project management, & so on.

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[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 8 months ago

Please mirror your stuff on forgejo or another open source git forge. They‘re working on federation and this might just be the best thing ever. Being able to not make an account on another one‘s forge would be awesome. I have like 6 plus accounts and its driving me nuts.

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