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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 183 points 1 year ago

the argument for .ml domain has always been absurd to begin with. So it's free but the price you pay is that it's being run by Mali. I'd just drop 8$/year tbh, that's not a hill you want to die for. Also you harm your project by being SEO punished for using spam-associated TLDs like this. One of the reasons original Lemmy took so long to adopt until Reddit's API drama. Pretty dumb ngl.

[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago

If i remember right it was also "free to register but insanely expensive to renew once they start to see traffic"

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[-] db2@lemmy.one 142 points 1 year ago

This brings a disturbing thought to mind.. if an instance domain name like foo.bar lapses and someone else snaps the domain up (or of it gets stolen) can the new controller plop Lemmy on a server and be instantly federated? If so what kind of damage could they do?

[-] Wander@yiffit.net 176 points 1 year ago

No, the signatures wouldn't match.

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 69 points 1 year ago

This is why you don't let your domain registration lapse. It's not the only way computers on the internet verify each other's identity, but a hell of a lot of internet security features are based around domain names, so keeping yours functioning is a very big deal.

[-] baascus@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

Domain registration ≠ internet security. Root of trust is in cryptographic keys, not domains. DNS is not the security cornerstone you make it out to be. PKI says hi!

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[-] vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 118 points 1 year ago

Using .ml was stupid in the first place. No need to try to be a special snowflake by using a sketchy TLD.

[-] Ddhuud@lemmynsfw.com 47 points 1 year ago

It's one of the 5 TLD (now 4 I guess) that are free. The others being .tk, .ga, .cf and .gq

We need free TLDs.

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[-] SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

But- But- But the memes of a Marxist-Leninist instance!!1!

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[-] hitagi@ani.social 104 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Out of curiosity, other than fmhy.ml, lemmy.ml, and lemmygrad.ml, what other Lemmy instances were using .ml domains? Also, how are the latter two still running but fmhy.ml isn't?

edit: This has triggered a chain of comments I wasn't expecting. I'd appreciate it if someone can answer on a technical level. Is the latter two using a different registrar or name server which is why it still works for them?

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago

Why are so many instances using .ml anyway?

[-] Ginjutsu@lemmy.world 161 points 1 year ago

AFAIK, lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml use it because the ml can also stand for "Marxist-Leninist", and the two primary maintainers of Lemmy are Marxist-Leninists . Not sure about the others though.

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 84 points 1 year ago

It can also definitely stand for Machine Learning which is the first thing that comes to my mind

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 46 points 1 year ago

Yes but lemmy has nothing to do with Machine Learning.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

I'm going to have to make a copy paste for this:

.ml stands for Mali.

.ee stands for Estonia.

.tv stands for Tuvalu

Just like .ca stands for Canada.

[-] Madbrad200@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago

this is technically true, but it's not why lemmygrad, ran by full on communists, chose the .ml tld

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Which ironically, is now failing due to the fault of those in power of that TLD. The fediverse needs to be careful with tld’s they choose. ICAAN exists, but it’s obvious that some domain power is delegated and therefore safer TLDs should be chosen

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[-] Sentrovasi@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago

Yes, it stands for Mali, no, it's not why lemmygrad used the domain name. Do you think all the services like Grammarly and Bitly are all Libyan services as well? Because I've got news that may just blow your mind.

Please stop copy-pasting ignorance.

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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

That's not true at all. ML was used as an idiological choice as it's the only free TLD you can get and you should not have to pay for a domain name as per Lemmy's creators ideology.

[-] sciawp@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago

That’s not true. There are a few other free TLDs. I think five total?

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[-] sciawp@lemm.ee 54 points 1 year ago

I think it's because ML is a popular shorthand for 'Marxist-Leninist' since they mostly seem to be communist servers

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[-] notintheface@feddit.nu 96 points 1 year ago

Man, hacking, DDOS and now this. The fediverse just can't catch a break...

[-] sebinspace@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago

Resiliency is the strongpoint.

If Reddit shuts down, all of Reddit dies.

Same with Facebook, YouTube, etc. is that highly unlikely? Well, yeah, but still nonzero. The fediverse offers resiliency in this regard, and no one person has the ability to shut it down. Even if all instances decide to shut down, new instances can still be spun up.

[-] Thief@lemmy.myserv.one 36 points 1 year ago

Would help if users spread out over all the running servers because problem is just a few lemmy servers have all the users. For example the instance I run would be a simple proxy to use for all the content and then would mitigate issues when a big server had problems since just parts of the fediverse would be affected from the users pov.

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[-] grandkaiser@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hi, professional DNS engineer here! if anyone has any questions about the inner workings of DNS or top level domains, ask away! (THIS IS MY MOMENT)

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[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago

Link to the actual post OP screenshotted: https://very.bignutty.xyz/notes/9hf13it1ced3b2za

Screenshots of text are not the way. The crappy “hey, a text thing I want to share, let me take an accessibility-poisoning screenshot and upload that graphic file like a psychopath instead of just copy/pasting either the link to the text or the text itself like a decent human being” routine needs to die with Reddit, we have to be better than that here.

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 year ago

Screenshots of text preserve the state of the text at the time it was seen...

Yes, it's not good for accessibility but it's a good way to quickly capture a moment in time.

(I would recommend perhaps also copy/pasting a synopsis for people who might be vision impaired etc)

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago

It's called a single-point of failure in Engineering.

Funny enough it wasn't even a technical one but a contractual one.

Maybe there is some kind of lesson here on the risk of delegating critical structural elements to 3rd parties that rent rather than own that which they're selling ...

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[-] BrownianMotion@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

It was quite hard to find any information on this, so I will post what I found.

https://domainincite.com/tag/freenom

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/05/26/2121222/phishing-domains-tanked-after-meta-sued-freenom

That second link is less relevant but interesting.

[-] Mikina@programming.dev 49 points 1 year ago

Why is Meta suing Freenom?

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[-] kratoz29@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

Why is Meta suing Freenom?

[-] OutrageousUmpire@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago

Freenom gives away domains, many of which are used by phishers and other bad actors. Meta is suing them for not being responsive to their complaints about this. And I guess the injury inflicted on their users by phishers.

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[-] Catasaur@lemmy.catasaur.xyz 41 points 1 year ago

A lot of people should be concerned about this for .me domains as well (Montenegro)

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[-] shaked_coffee@feddit.it 39 points 1 year ago

I was using .ml domains for my selfhosted services, since it was just an hobby and I didn't wanted to invest money on it. Apart from Freenom website being pretty unusable since I have memory, I've already had troubles renewing them last year and now they stopped working without any notice nor update from Freenom itself. Finally I decided to move to a payed domain from Infomaniak, since it's been more than a year I've been selfhosting and $10/year is a fair price for me.

But still without those free domains I wouldn't probably ever started selfhosting, and I guess a lot of other people like me wouldn't have experimented or spin up their projects if they had to pay for a domain from the beginning. So despite my hate for Freenom I guess I have to thank them and hope someone else (maybe a bit more "professional") will take its place in the future

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[-] kaito@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Personally I think more people should be aware of the evil company that is Freenom. (Not saying Meta is not evil.)

Or at least the people that unwittingly transact with them and give them attention / money.

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[-] CMahaff@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

FYI I have made a tool that can backup / copy your account settings, subscriptions, and blocks to a new account: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim

There are others out there as well if you look.

Obviously the loss of .ml communities would still be catastrophic to Lemmy, but at least your new account won't start from ground-zero, and you can be less effected by downtime by having 2 accounts with the same subscriptions.

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[-] const_void@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Why was .ml selected to begin with?

[-] qwamqwamqwam@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

.ml stands for Marxist/Leninist apparently. Communists try not to let idealism get in the way of practicality challenge(impossible)

To be fair this is a pretty crazy black swan event they couldn’t have possibly seen coming. But yeah, this is why novelty domain suffixes are novelties.

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[-] BarterClub@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago
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