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submitted 7 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

It is a scenario playing out nationwide. From Oregon to Pennsylvania, hundreds of communities have in recent years either stopped adding fluoride to their water supplies or voted to prevent its addition. Supporters of such bans argue that people should be given the freedom of choice. The broad availability of over-the-counter dental products containing the mineral makes it no longer necessary to add to public water supplies, they say. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that while store-bought products reduce tooth decay, the greatest protection comes when they are used in combination with water fluoridation.

The outcome of an ongoing federal case in California could force the Environmental Protection Agency to create a rule regulating or banning the use of fluoride in drinking water nationwide. In the meantime, the trend is raising alarm bells for public health researchers who worry that, much like vaccines, fluoride may have become a victim of its own success.

The CDC maintains that community water fluoridation is not only safe and effective but also yields significant cost savings in dental treatment. Public health officials say removing fluoride could be particularly harmful to low-income families — for whom drinking water may be the only source of preventive dental care.

“If you have to go out and get care on your own, it’s a whole different ballgame,” said Myron Allukian Jr., a dentist and past president of the American Public Health Association. Millions of people have lived with fluoridated water for years, “and we’ve had no major health problems,” he said. “It’s much easier to prevent a disease than to treat it.”

According to the anti-fluoride group Fluoride Action Network, since 2010, over 240 communities around the world have removed fluoride from their drinking water or decided not to add it.

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[-] esc27@lemmy.world 212 points 7 months ago

So lead, plastic, and PFAS are fine but fluoride is where they draw the line…?

[-] HWK_290@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

They're also against vaccines because supposedly vaccines will damage their DNA... whereas apparently PFAS don't.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 190 points 7 months ago

I am SO tired of being at the mercy of idiots.

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[-] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 178 points 7 months ago

No, people shouldn't have the right to choose if fluoride is added to their water. People are stupid. You vote to remove something that will greatly help children that can't vote. The government's job, sometimes, is to stop stupid people from hurting others and their selves. That's the reason you can't drink raw milk or use lead gas.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 44 points 7 months ago

The raw milk thing is actually part of the reason the FDA was formed!

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[-] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 150 points 7 months ago

We live in the time of the most readily available and advanced information yet continually make the dumbest fucking decisions.

“Cavities…yeah….goddamn hadn’t had one of those in awhile, we should bring those back.”

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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 135 points 7 months ago

The UK used the same argument to stop the addition of iodine to salt. "People already consume enough dietary iodine". You know what happened? Thyroid diseases are on the rise in the UK again, slowly creeping back to early XX century levels.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I think iodine is underappreciated. But also I think fewer and fewer people use the salt shaker because they eat so much processed food (which has salt that is not iodized). Then you're down to milk and seafood. Milk gets it because they use iodine to sanitize the udders. So if you don't drink milk and who eats seafood on most days. Solution to anyone reading: multivitamin.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 92 points 7 months ago

You can't trust this stuff. I only drink water straight from the creek and- excuse me, my diarrhea is acting up.

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[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 82 points 7 months ago

Ban the fluoride and give universal dental care like Canada is planning.

A pipe dream. The dummies will likely just ban the fluoride with no other plan or solution.

[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 107 points 7 months ago

Or, ya know, keep the fluoride in the water and also give universal dental care. Removing the fluoride from the water is the more expensive solution.

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[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 57 points 7 months ago

We need to stop letting the village idiots make policy.

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

We need to stop letting the conservatives make policy.

FTFY

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 24 points 7 months ago

You just repeated what OP said.

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 54 points 7 months ago

Americans won the battle to bring back measles

Now they’re fighting to bring back tooth decay

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[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 51 points 7 months ago

It’s only “fluoride” if it’s from the Florida region of the United States of America—otherwise it’s just a sparkling inorganic, monatomic anion of fluorine.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 19 points 7 months ago

Common misconception - to Floridate water, a man wrestles an aligator and one of them must pee in it.

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[-] ma11ie@lemmy.one 49 points 7 months ago

People can be fucking ignorant and unfortunately Covid made this all worse. There are simple measures we can take as a society to make everyone’s health better but people succumb to misinformation spread by those who profit from the alternative.

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[-] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 43 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Not this shit again. This pseudo-scientific nonsense has been debunked numerous times already. You would think that this would be a dead conspiracy theory but here we are debating this once more. This is what happens when you have an scientifically illiterate population.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 42 points 7 months ago

When the tap water is "cloudy, bubbly, and milky" I think of a thousand different reasons why this could be. Flourid is not on that list.

If the tap water looks like that, I'd have the installarion checked before anything else. And I would not put it beyond an American water provider to deliver absolutely shitty water.

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago

This sounds like that Simpsons episode where the school board votes down the "free recharging of fire extinguishers". They aren't even saying that their might be problems with floride, they just want choice for the option of choices sake. What is next, freedom to push your children into traffic?

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago

Just another pest boil of the lack of scientific education in the US. Anti-Vaxx, Anti-Flouride, Anti-Science in general. Do you guys want to go back to the age of pilgrim fathers, or what?

[-] orrk@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

these people? dude they yearn for the "rural settler life" of course they want to go back to the good old, god fearing, sustenance farmers and factory workers

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 38 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ugh! This is why we can't we have nice things.

Send these idiots to 5th grade science class, and don't let them out until they pass with at least a C.

We had a fairly popular game show here called Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?, and collectively, the answer is apparently "no, we're not".

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[-] Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

God i wish my community fluoridated its water. Just had a kid, and anything to help prevent cavities is amazing, and low levels of floride is such an easy, risk free and cheap solution.

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[-] lud@lemm.ee 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Fun fact: adding flouride to drinking water is illegal in my country and I think it has always been illegal.

We do have it in varying quantities in our drinking water but that's apparently because of our geography. We also have maximum limits like many other countries do.

People with their own water wells are more likely to have elevated levels of fluoride in their water.

[-] MossyHabitat@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago

Please do your own research, as this is a very controversial subject which has been fought since its inception, with entrenched opinions. Here's a primer:

  • Too much fluoride is bad for humans, and the threshold can achieved with a standard diet and recommended intake of water, assuming fluoridated water is used for both consumption and food prep. This excludes fluoride toothpaste.
  • Fluoride can not be removed from tap water using standard water filters, or even R/O filters. Removal requires highly specialized filters which utilize aluminum to chemically un-bind the fluoride, which then require a separate filtration statge to remove the aluminum.
  • This is because fluoride creates some of the strongest chemical bonds, and is the reason it is the primary component in PFAS, or "forever chemicals"
  • Very little of our tap water actually touches human teeth.
  • Fluoride is a problematic byproduct of the production of aluminum and fertilizer industry.
  • Buildup of fluoride in urban/suburban soils is becoming a crop & gardening concern for which there is no viable solution.
  • Fluoride tablets were administered as a remedy for hyper-thyroidism, as it decreased thyroid function. Fluoride is believed to be a factor in the increase of modern hypo-thyroid ailments
  • Fluoride is a known carcinogen.
  • Fluoride is a known neurotoxin, shown to reduce IQ - particularly for children. Many pediatricians advise against fluoride toothpaste at young ages.

Most of the research done on fluoridating tap water was done in the early 1940s & 50s, well in advance of modern dental hygiene and fluoridated toothpaste use. Studies do definitively show applying fluoride directly to teeth does strengthen tooth enamel, but modern studies are mixed, at best, regarding efficacy of fluoridated tap water between equivalent socioeconomic communities. No studies have been conducted regarding dermal absorption of fluoride , believed to further elevate intake.

I think the simplest solution is to let people choose for themselves, and add fluoride to their personal drinking water if that's what they choose.

We don't need to fluoridate water in our toilets, showers, or irrigation.

[-] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 7 months ago

I just want to point out that too much of anything is bad, because that's what "too much" means. Saying "but too much of x is bad" is such a dumb argument, that I always bring this up.

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[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Teeth....the haves vs. the haves not....another Florida experiment.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago
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[-] Jomega@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago

They should change nothing and say that they got rid of it. It's not like these people are smart enough to tell the difference.

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