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[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 157 points 9 months ago
[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 146 points 9 months ago

Its only a genocide if it comes from the third reich. Anything else is just sparkling ethnic cleansing.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Turkey: See I told you guys

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[-] Johanno@feddit.de 95 points 9 months ago

I as a german asked an expert on that topic. Chatgpt. According to chatGPT there is no genocide if you don't kill them with the intention to wipe them from the planet. So if for example you drop accidentally poison into their water because you mixed the Botox and sugar bottle in the water station then even if they all die it is not a genocide.

And since chatgpt is infallable this is the only truth.

[-] carotte 92 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Good thing then that Israeli politicians haven’t been on record saying that Gaza needs to be "wiped from the face of the Earth"!

[-] amzd@kbin.social 34 points 9 months ago

Except that basically all Israeli politicians have made statements saying they have genocidal intentions.

[-] Raykin@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

Upvoted but I wish you would have run your post through ChatGPT as well my friend. That was hard to read.

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 9 months ago

Comma rule in German is so fucked that normal humans just give up and never use any.

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[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

Yeah, genocide often requires intent. So I guess this could be more of a massacre than a genocide.

But there's quite a few different definitions, some are more lax.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Except for all the politicians, from shutzstaffel commanders to the (Hitler apologist) PM's PR guy saying exactly this, using words like cexterminate' 'wipe from the earth' 'every last one' and many individual storm troopers posting on their social media (in videos while doing war crimes), or even their 'civilians' frequently saying it

Edit: nevermind. It wasnt a press guy; their pm.said it himself. Of course it did.

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[-] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 73 points 9 months ago

(Preface: I am team genocide. I also live in Germany. Germany's politics are a disgrace, but I digress.)

What annoys me about this is that this discussion gets so much media attention and focus, while it doesn't matter in this very moment. I understand that there are implications if it will be defined as a genocide. But right now people are being killed every day en masse and they frankly give a crap about whether they died in a mass murder or terrorist attack or a genocide.

It reminds me of the early days of the Ukraine war when everyone was so obsessed with comparing Putin to Hitler (Putler is still a popular term) and the discussion was high on whether Putins actions amount to fascism or not, with a lot of internet laymen but also experts on that subject chiming in. When I asked a half Russian, half Ukrainian what their opinion was, their reply was something like "who the fuck cares? Call it a chicken pea pie, nobody cares, people are being killed, I don't give a crap. Somewhen in the future people will be looking back and asking the same question, but it doesn't matter right now." And it stuck with me.

If I understand correctly, the ICJ will rule again on the case in a couple of years (?), which obviously isn't relevant right now. It seems like the ruling would have an aftermath in retrospect but even if they ruled it were a genocide today, nothing much would change directly - but please correct me if I am wrong here.

But what definitely doesn't matter is what we think. What matters is what is happening. And it doesn't need a name to be evil and detrimental.

[-] AreaSIX@lemm.ee 73 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Germany has supplied 30% of Israel s weapons, and has continued to do so during this ongoing genocide. If Germany or the US were to acknowledge the ongoing genocide, they'd have to stop supplying those arms immediately, hence stopping the annihilation of Gaza. So it's of immense importance to keep repeating what most of the world already acknowledges: this is a genocide, and those arming the perpetrators are complicit in their crimes. History will not judge Germany kindly, but I guess that's not exactly a new thing for a veteran perpetrator of genocide.

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[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 32 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

”i am team genocide"

-volvoxvsmarla

I dunno, can we trust them? Agree tho; people are dying and it needs to stop no matter what we call it, even if there were no larger implications; its fucking pointless and needs to stop.

[-] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 21 points 9 months ago

I hope I won't be remembered for this quote. I'll choose my phrasing better in the future.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

"I (...) won't be (...) better in the future. "

-volvoxvsmarla

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[-] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 66 points 9 months ago
[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 49 points 9 months ago

Well, he is right, its mass murdering, but not genocide.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 13 points 9 months ago

Wait until we find his 2012 Twitter handle calling everyone but Titans unnecessary

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[-] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 31 points 9 months ago

Israel: [Murdering journalists and foreign aid workers] see? It's not only Palestinians, it's random.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 62 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Genocide, as in the legal definition, requires intent. As far as I see it Germany is not even trying to deny anything Israel did or does, or argue evidence in any other way, all the government is basically doing is saying "Your honour, our client can't have intent because they're demonstrably criminally insane, we know because we caused that insanity". Not in that many words, but to that effect.

[-] pyr0ball@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

And a sane person/nation would willingly engage in genocide? Insanity doesn't negate intent, only ones ability to distinguish reality or prevent themselves from carrying out actions they know to be immoral. Inb4 India, China, the USA, and Russia of course but you take my point?

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[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 43 points 9 months ago

If it weren't tragic, it would be funny.

[-] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 9 months ago

germany really said

[-] sentinelthesalty@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

Germany: "Fucking casuals, you call that a genocide!"

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 23 points 9 months ago

Germany, are you going to be responsible for EVERY FUCKING World War you humans fight in!?! Liiiike feck.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

Is all champaigne from france?

If Germany's not on the wrong(er) side, its just a sparkling global conflict.

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[-] evranch@lemmy.ca 16 points 9 months ago

I don't get this WW3 talk that seems to only be here on Lemmy. Like, does anyone actually expect any countries with significant global influence to line up behind Hamas?

The closest I can think of is Iran, and they're a regional power at best, and they prefer to work behind the scenes.

No, this will be a nasty little "tempest in a teacup" as always, with lots of onlookers wagging fingers but doing nothing. This is what all neighbouring nations are already doing - in fact they love the fact that Israel's disproportionate response is damaging their reputation. They're more than happy to stand by and watch, as they're the ones who set Gaza up as a punching bag in the first place.

Ukraine is far more likely to evolve into a global conflict, especially with Ukraine's position weakening and Poland chomping at the bit to jump in.

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[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

Maybe because what is happening is not genocide?

[-] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Youre gonna have to be a bit more specific in your defense. They have been killing all Palestinians, have been saying that all Palestinians are Hamas (including kids), and have said multiple times they want to wipe them off the face of the earth.

How is that not genocide?

Benjamin Netanyahu has in recent days called on politicians to choose “their words carefully” so as not to give ammunition ahead of the hearing in The Hague, Vaturi on Wednesday reaffirmed his calls to “wipe Gaza off the face of the earth,” and added: “Gaza must be burned.” “I stand behind my words... It is better to burn down buildings rather than have [Israeli] soldiers harmed. There are no innocents there,” he said in a radio interview before calling for the “elimination” of the estimated 100,000 Palestinians left in northern Gaza. “I have no mercy for those who are still there. We need to eliminate them,” added Vaturi, who belongs to Likud, the right-wing party led by Netanyahu.

[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

If there was an intent to destroy Gaza and all it's inhabitants Israel would have done so already. I probably need to see more justification than some emotional outburst a few days after getting terror attacked and israeli citizens kidnapped.

Your arguments are weak. Yes there is a sad situation where a lot of Palestinians are dying but it's not a genocide.

[-] blitzkrieg@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago

What do you call ethnically cleansing and starving an entire population? Is that not genocide?

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[-] computerscientistI@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago

As a German: I think it really is not our job to criticise Israel/the jewish people. There are about 200 other countries that are capable of voicing their opinions. I seriously doubt Hamas left Israel much of a choice, though. They are still keeping and mistreating hostages. What is Israel supposed to do? Passively standing by and watching their hostages being impregnated?

[-] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 54 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What is Israel supposed to do? Passively standing by and watching their hostages being impregnated?

No, obviously not.

Killing international aid workers, Palestinian men, women, and children indiscriminately doesn't seem like a viable solution either and calling everyone who criticizes your military policy "anti-Semitic" is not what you should do either.

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[-] Luccus@feddit.de 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

As a German, I feel like, we should be capable of seeing 10th of thousands of people die, including reporters, aid workers and literal children, and fathom that this… is bad.

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[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago

It’s one thing to refrain from commenting but supporting Israel makes it clear that Germany learned nothing.

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[-] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

I guess they have fairly high standards when it comes to genicide....

[-] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In hindsight this should have been posted in the political meme section not here.

My apologies, I'm new to lemmy. Thank you for your patience yall, I'll do better.

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[-] onewaymars@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

great meme OP or should i say groß meme!

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