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[-] Johanno@feddit.de 95 points 7 months ago

I as a german asked an expert on that topic. Chatgpt. According to chatGPT there is no genocide if you don't kill them with the intention to wipe them from the planet. So if for example you drop accidentally poison into their water because you mixed the Botox and sugar bottle in the water station then even if they all die it is not a genocide.

And since chatgpt is infallable this is the only truth.

[-] carotte 92 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Good thing then that Israeli politicians haven’t been on record saying that Gaza needs to be "wiped from the face of the Earth"!

[-] amzd@kbin.social 34 points 7 months ago

Except that basically all Israeli politicians have made statements saying they have genocidal intentions.

[-] Raykin@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

Upvoted but I wish you would have run your post through ChatGPT as well my friend. That was hard to read.

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 7 months ago

Comma rule in German is so fucked that normal humans just give up and never use any.

[-] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Comma rules in German are logical and follow set rules. When I asked my English teacher about comma rules in English, she said she's not teaching them cause they're too complicated.
When I asked my English teacher during my foreign exchange year in the US, she basically said the same.

[-] Catoblepas 4 points 7 months ago

As a native English speaker, I barely understand comma rules either. The only person I know that I would expect to always get commas right has a Master’s degree in English. The extremely oversimplified rule I was taught as a young child was to add a comma anywhere you would naturally pause while speaking. Doesn’t always work, but it works well enough.

[-] Johanno@feddit.de 3 points 7 months ago

I could use german grammar to set the commas, but then I would have probably 10 to many for English grammar. So I tend to use less in English.

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

None of those sentences needed commas, they're just not constructed very clearly.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I, as a German, asked an expert on that topic: ChatGPT. According to ChatGPT, there is no genocide if you don't kill them with the intention to wipe them from the planet. So, if for example you accidentally drop poison into their water because you mixed the botox and sugar bottle at the water station, then even if they all die it is not a genocide.

And since ChatGPT is infallible, this is the only truth.

Six commas, colon, capitalization, word order, word choice, “infallible”. Infallible like my editing 🤓 & dunt u disagreeme

PS: I speak zero languages (rounded), good job all who learn English and attempt to use it

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Okay, yes, those are all valid places to put commas, good job -- except for the one after "So", which actually decreases the legibility. It would be better to surround "for example" with commas.

However, none of them are grammatically necessary. The original comment is totally fine and can be parsed unambiguously as-is. I would support the colon insertion above any of your commas.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

Good point!

Interesting, anywhere I can read about grammatically necessary vs. recommended yet unnecessary commas? (Perhaps on the first search result for that question heh)

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

This is a decent article, at least for the most part: I actually don't like their examples for the "Preposition of Time" stuff at all, the versions with commas are just bad writing.

But basically it just comes down to whether the sentence/clause can be parsed unambiguously without the commas. There is no syntactical difference between "I as a German asked..." and "I, as a German, asked...". It's entirely a style choice.

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 7 months ago

I've counted 6 missing commas.

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago
[-] Bluetooth@feddit.dk 3 points 7 months ago
[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Read some Cormac McCarthy some time.

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[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago

Yeah, genocide often requires intent. So I guess this could be more of a massacre than a genocide.

But there's quite a few different definitions, some are more lax.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Except for all the politicians, from shutzstaffel commanders to the (Hitler apologist) PM's PR guy saying exactly this, using words like cexterminate' 'wipe from the earth' 'every last one' and many individual storm troopers posting on their social media (in videos while doing war crimes), or even their 'civilians' frequently saying it

Edit: nevermind. It wasnt a press guy; their pm.said it himself. Of course it did.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

I really doubt their aim with this thing is to destroy all the Palestinians, but if you can provide those quotes that show that that's their stated aim then I'd definitely consider this a genocide.

[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

How many do you need? So we don't have any more goalpost shifting?

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[-] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Teeeeensy nitpick: there are two definitions of genocide that have ever mattered. Two. Not many. Two.

Lemkins original, much much broader, definition, And the one you're familiar with, adopted by the UN because like everyone on the permanent security council thing had an interest in the definition being a little more narrow. Under which the way the Palestinian people are being exterminated absolutely still counts.

Interestingly, by lemkin's broader definition, making the shutzstaffel stop killing Palestinians might constitute a genocide of the kapostanis; it would be destroying every trace of their culture, and the means of its reproduction.

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[-] sudo@programming.dev 7 points 7 months ago

I know your being sarcastic but I just want to point out that this is incorrect

here is no genocide if you don’t kill them with the intention to wipe them from the planet

If you plan to cull a demographic by only 10% its still genocide according to the UN. This is the definition that South Africa's case at the ICJ will be ruled under. Under this definition all ethnic cleansing requires genocide.

[-] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Fire Nation: "We never did the Air Nomad genocide. We didn't intend to kill them all, we only intended to kill one guy"

[-] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

To meet the legal definition of genocide, you also have to have the intent to destroy a particular group of people. So, legally speaking, your example isn't genocide according to any source.

I don't know the motives behind the Israel/Palestine conflict or how it started, but if it doesn't involve an intent to destroy Palestinians specifically, I guess I could see how GPT's take is valid. Like, the war in Ukraine is egregious too, but that by itself doesn't make it a genocide.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Deliberate displacement of particular ethnic or religious groups is also recognized as genocide, in particular because it's often a pretext. ChatGPT is wrong, and needs to read the UN definition.

[-] letsgo@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

How it started: the Ottomans sided with the Nazis, so when they lost, the Ottomans also lost their land and the Allies got it, following the usual war rule where the winner wins the land. Dividing up the land is where the British Mandate for Palestine came from, under which we gave 2/3 of the land to the Arabs (Transjordan) and 1/3 of the land to Israel. But the Arabs refused to accept this and started the first of a series of wars against Israel. The Arabs, now also partially known as Palestinians, have continually refused to accept any peace deal, starting wars whenever possible and so far losing every one of them. Israel has repeatedly accepted peace deals, even at the cost of land, but it only works if both sides agree, which they don't: the only deal the Arabs want is all the land and no Israel, which also means no Jews (proof: look at the Jewish communities within existing Arab states (TLDR: non-existent or shrinking)), which means the Arabs are hellbent on a genocide of all the Jews, and are determined to achieve that or die trying.

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