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[-] almar_quigley@lemmy.world 171 points 2 years ago

Snowflakes in these comments hurt when someone’s lived experience is pointed out when it’s not even saying they’re the ones being racist. Same people who get upset at fast food workers getting higher wages as if that has any direct impact on them (other than the whole getting our economy and society into a better place).

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 107 points 2 years ago

First question in the interview I had a few years ago: "Do you have a green card?"

I was born here asshole. I'm brown skinned.

[-] DillyDaily@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago

Exactly, and for any white people in the comments about to say "well they have to ask everyone to know you can legally work,I get asked about my citizenship status too in the job interviews, it's just a box HR has to tick"

Yes, it is just a box HR has to tick, which is why they will usually ask after a few other questions, and in my pasty pale experience, they ask me "and just confirming you're legally eligible to work in [country], are you a citizen... Or a PR" and the trail off, they don't ask about working visas or our equivalent of green cards, they assume I'm going to say "yes, citizen" and move on.

Meanwhile my partner, who is also white, but from his accent he is clearly not "from here" will also get similar treatment, they wait until a few questions into the interview, they ask about his legal work eligibility, they will mention working visas in the question, but it's still coming from a place of genuine information gathering.

My brown cousins on the other hand? "do you have a work visa?" is one of the first questions they get asked. Not even "do you have the legal right to work here? Like a Work visa or citizenship", just straight up "do you have a work visa?" because the assumption is that they are not a citizen or PR because of their skin colour.

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[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 years ago

Lol I've seen this first hand so many times. "When did you come to Canada? Is this your first winter? Have you seen snow before? Was it hard learning English?" Like, do you think Canada just recently opened its borders and everyone who isn't white must be new?

[-] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago

What I hate is that some folks I know who aren't white have come to expect this kind of thing. Knew a great guy at work of Indian descent, got to meet him in person for the first time and I asked him where he was from. Normal question when you personally are an army brat and pinged around the country in your formative years.The response was "Well my grandparents are from India".

I have never cringed so hard, and was quick to say "Shit, no, I meant did you grow up in Toronto, or did you used to live in some other place in Canada before?". Made me think about how many people did that "No, where are you really from" shit with him before.

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[-] almar_quigley@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

I’m not brown but I was once mistaken for Mexican immigrant. The way the person treated me in that instance was really eye opening to me for how folks can get treated that I never otherwise would’ve have experienced.

[-] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 140 points 2 years ago

These are all wildly inappropriate questions to ask a random stranger without some prior explicit context between the people.

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[-] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 2 years ago

Are you surprised when a good meaning person asks when a slightly chubby woman is due, when she isn’t actually pregnant?

Actually, yes, because that's been widely known as a risky question to ask for so long it would surprise me. Then I would question them actually being a well-meaning person.

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

For fun.

My sister was standing outside a gas station with a close friend of hers. Her friend was enjoying a cigarette when an old man walked up to her and sos, “You know, you aught to give that baby a chance!”

She was not pregnant. That was the moment that turned her around and made her go on a diet though, poor thing.

My sister said she cried for days.

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[-] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

Not surprised, but I'm also not convinced it's well-meaning so much as ignorance to the effect of their own actions. Otherwise, I think were mostly on the same page. It generally should be considered uncool to ask someone a personal questions without a valid reason to do so, regardless of age, genital status, or arbitrarily assigned category loosely based upon skin or the overall attitude of one religious group towards another.

[-] FreeLikeGNU@lemmy.world 61 points 2 years ago

For all the people missing the point of this comic particularly in the U.S.: Look at who has held political and financial power for the last two hundred years, including this one. There are lots of pictures and paintings of people. Do you notice anything in common between nearly all of them besides having wealth and power? Think about the position of everyone else not fitting that description and tell us all again why you personally feel attacked and why this comic is not relevant.

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago

It's funny how the people writing comics like these don't see that they are perpetuating a stereotype themselves.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 94 points 2 years ago

Racist sterotypes are worse than sterotypes about racists.

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 41 points 2 years ago

pOiNTInG oUt rAciSm iS ThE sAmE aS bEInG RaciSt

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[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 19 points 2 years ago

That view feels overly romanticised to me, tbh; the idea that the way to stop racism is to just not acknowledge it. That not drawing attention to things will just make it go away.

There's a lot of institutionalised racism in many countries, either due to racism itself or as a knock on effect from other failed systems.

And, of course, there's just plain bigotry that is passed patent to child and from social group to social group. That's not going to stop by just censoring media.

The message of this comic is, basically, "here's some unconscious biases you could be making". Reading it as "this is how you're supposed to talk to black people" is... Well, if that's the reading you make, then whether the comic exists or not isn't going to change anything.

It feels like this sort of thing makes people feel uncomfortable and they try to justify the removal of the media rather than grappling with the concept of privilege (which, tbf, is hard for people to do).

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I mean as a soon to be 29 year old that grew up kind of sheltered for the longest time I had a minimal knowledge of racial stereotypes. It wasn't until I started seeing stuff like this post that I even knew that a lot of people (as an example) assumed black girls holding babies were holding their own kids.

I would've had to come up with that stereotype all on my own ... and honestly I don't think I ever would have.

If someone had proposed the idea of putting on black face to dress up as Obama for Halloween, in another life I could've seen myself going for it because I've liked Obama ever since he was running for office back in 08 and I had no idea about the "black face" connotations until the last few years. It wouldn't have been any more controversial (to my innocent mind) than putting on a red wig to be the joker.

Surely I can't be the only one that ... had no idea about this stuff and no way to perpetuate it in any malicious way because of that.

Like... I agree with you, but also I do feel like there's something to this point. Teaching racial stereotypes and framing conversations in terms of race definitely keeps race in the spotlight in some circumstances when other factors might be better focal points.

I was also someone that grew up in Appalachia... and let me tell you, it's interesting that black people and appalachian people are on opposite sides, the poverty, the bigotry against the appalachian subculture, the warm feelings about the law breaking moonshine running "good old boys" from some folks, etc, there's a lot of rhymes in the circumstances.

I think that's part of what some rural people get so offended about. Like the dude that works at Walmart and lives in a crap trailer with undrinkable well water ... walking up to that guy and telling him about his "white privilege" also feels, wrong.

It was weird to me when I went to college (first in my family to go to a 4 year school) and there were people just casually talking about vacations featuring airplanes and international travel. Like, the people that did "fancy" big vacations that I remember from my home town were going to Myrtle Beach not Greece.

I feel like a lot of people are talking past each other ... and to be clear I'm not discounting that race is still an issue in the US that's systemic and needs addressed, but it does feel like there's some nuance that's been lost in the broader conversation.

Perhaps with a different approach/tone some more people could find common ground. It's a hard problem.

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[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

You got it.

We can't beat racism by continually pointing out racial differences. This is just more racism and isn't helpful.

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[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

You got it. Racism is treating people differently based on race.

The only way to end it is to stop drawing on differences.

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[-] Strykker@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago

That's unrelated to this comic though, Morgan Freeman is correct that people shouldn't arbitrarily bring someones race into a conversation.

But this comic isn't doing that this comic is pointing out racism, and racism should always be pointed out and labelled as such when it is seen, because as a society we need to browbeat the shit out of people who are consistently racist and you can't do that unless you go and say "that's racist"

[-] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Waaah, "not all white people," waaah!

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 20 points 2 years ago

Now I’m worried that I’m blind to that stereotype, too. Care to elaborate?

[-] Delphia@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

Now IM NOT SAYING I AGREE OR THAT THIS BIAS DOESNT EXIST but I think that what they are getting at is that pointing out the stereotyping you do perpetuate it to a degree. Sort of a flip side to how sometimes people just assume that every black person has experienced overt aggressive racism or every gay person has had a huge coming out moment where they had to "break it" to their parents.

Like if I was jewish and I made a joke about how cheap I am and someone at work didnt get the joke because they had never heard the "covetous jew" stereotype. So then I'd have to explain it to them and put that knowledge into their head.

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[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

White people are all racist would be one stereotype shown here but there's a few

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 42 points 2 years ago

Or maybe the comic is just showing common racist comments commonly said by some white people and isn't saying that all white people are racist.

[-] blahsay@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

That's a racial generalisation...otherwise known as racism.

The thing they're complaining about in the comic...

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 41 points 2 years ago

"Acknowledging racism is the real racism!"

[-] match@pawb.social 24 points 2 years ago

is "racial generalization" your only touch point for what racism is

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

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[-] 520@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

But it is true that these kinds of unintentionally racist differences in commentary are often done by white people. Not all white people but a large enough subsection of that population to become a general problem.

That's what the comic is pointing out.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 5 points 2 years ago

Too many people are wildly overanalyzing this comic or getting needlessly insulted by it. I think your interpretation is the correct one.

Casual, unintentional racism is more of a problem than people generally realize, because they’re not even conscious of it. Racism doesn’t always show itself in overt acts of hatred or discrimination. Sometimes, a well-meaning person can say or do hurtful, insulting things because of racist assumptions they don’t know they’re making.

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[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 14 points 2 years ago

(Technically aren't half the white people in the comic not actually being racist?)

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[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

ITT: Virtue signalling.

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago

Oh, the irony.

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[-] guyrocket@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

So comical.

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Ok, all that aside, that third chick asking about college--- what does that shirt mean...? No clothes hangers? Is that an abortion statement or does she just like folded clothes over hung ones?

[-] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 years ago

Definitely a pro-choice statement: "Don't make women resort to [risky abortion techniques]"

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 16 points 2 years ago

I especially like her panels because it illustrates that even liberal, socially conscious people need to stay aware of their own biases. I try to be a progressive person, but that certainly doesn’t mean I’m immune to this sort of thing.

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