Sounds great, let's ban it in every form except the one we literally eat...
Actually it's in a lot of food wrappers.
And those aren't as durable as cooking utensils. If you don't scratch your pan with a metal fork and don't use it for two decades, it's apparently somewhat safe. Not according to the companies, I'm not shilling, Last Week Tonight had a point about it on their episode about PFA's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W74aeuqsiU
I'd personally love to not consume any fucking PFAS, but I also understand that this French thing is still a massive step forwards for regulations on the matter.
Tldr it's still a win
That stuff sticks to (aka reacts with) literally nothing. That's the point of it. The whole innovation of nonstick cookware was the fact they got it to stick to something. It’s not even dangerous if you ingest it, it doesn’t react with anything so it just comes back out.
What IS dangerous is the by products and intermediate products, as well as the stuff that comes off if you overheat it. (And also, like you said, when they get old)
This whole movement against non-stick is alright, but so many people do it for the wrong reasons. If you have nonstick, just use it and don’t buy nonstick next time. Throwing away perfectly fine cookware like that is like boycotting charmin by flushing down all your remaining rolls in one go and going to the store to buy new toilet paper from another brand.
so it just comes back out.
Eh... does it?
https://www.businessinsider.com/chart-how-long-hazardous-forever-chemicals-pfas-stay-in-blood-2023-3
It can take five hours for your body to filter half the amount of caffeine or alcohol you've consumed from your blood. LSD is a bit faster at three hours.
BPA has a similar half-life to caffeine and alcohol, but arsenic can take up to 10 hours.
Toxic metals like lead or radioactive polonium, take months to halfway leave your blood.
But PFAS surpass all of these other substances. Some of the PFAS that have been studied — PFOA, PFOS, and PFHS — can take over seven years to reduce by half in your bloodstream. It's no wonder they're called "forever chemicals."
I still use my non-sticks, but like you said, I'm gonna buy non-PFAS cookware the next time I need to. I'm in no panic about my pans. What people probably should pay more attention to is PFAS in clothing. This might be a tad sensationalist as The Guardian often is, but eh, with a grain of salt: https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2023/jul/02/fashion-chemicals-pfas-bpa-toxic
Careful what you wish for. PTFE is used in liners of a lot of life saving catheters. The stuff that goes I side your heart and brain and saves your life...
I presume it's mostly used in the handles. I don't think we cook on plastic.
It's on the non stick coating for a lot of pans and can easily flake off and be ingested if you damage it by using metal utensils. This is why you should never use metal on nonstick.
I have family that makes me rip my hair out over this shit.
They put their non-stick in the oven, They use metal tools on it, and they refuse to replace it when the coating fails and starts coming off.
They denigrate me as some kine of hoity-toity rich man with my "pointless" pain replacements, when they arent getting angry at me for "looking down" on them by saying that their pans unsafe.
Just buy a cast iron or a steel pan for fucks sake!
I used to work in food service - I remember one day they replaced all the pans with new ones that had a black Teflon coating... about 6 months later, ALL of the black, except a little bit around the edge, was completely gone. Just bare metal. All of it flaked off into our customers' food.
To be fair: it is mostly inert. But using carbon steel instead has virtually 0 cost and a much longer lifespan(that yourself)
That's where you're wrong, bucko
Nonstick pans, though most of the harm is from manufacture, not end-use
PTFE, aka Teflon.
Eh, at least this will reduce the amounts of PFAS being produced. I mean, teflon pans at least actually have a useful purpose, rather than things like PFAS coated burger wrappers.
Barely useful. Stainless steel and cast iron can achieve an almost equal non-stick effect, and handle much higher temperatures without toxic offgassing or stuff chipping off and ending up in the food.
Leaden flatware works too, but why use it when we have ceramic?
Teflon isn't necessarily even easier to use than cast iron or stainless steel, I think the main issue there is that the education around how to use cookwear is very poor. It's not just pop on the stove and go.
Carbon steel can, too. Plenty of non-nonstick options. And, amusingly enough, many of the highest quality of these items are produced in France.
I'd completely forgotten about carbon steel, but you're right!
Yeah, I've never liked teflon either. The coating always seems to get scratched up no matter how careful you are with it (and some of those flakes end up in your food). But some people swear by it, so I could see them getting angry about a ban.
I've been auper happy with my ceramic pans the past couple years. Seems like nothing stocks to those bad boys
A dear friend of mine keeps birds, and she exclusively uses ceramic cookware. She swears by it, and honestly I get it.
Almost as good and much bigger pain to use? Yeah, great deal lol
Cast iron: cook a load of bacon bacon before you try making tomato sauce and don't put it in a dishwasher. Trying not to scratch Teflon is way more of a pain.
Exactly, this’ll limit the exposure to them in things you wouldn’t expect them to be on/in. You can avoid Teflon pans and go iron or steel but the amount of stuff coated in PFAS is ridiculous. Hell, even sofas, rugs, blinds, etc all sorts of stuff. And before anyone says “you don’t eat that stuff”, try telling my toddlers that! I bought a black milk frothing jug for my espresso machine. The black coating? Teflon. Not mentioned anywhere, not even marketed as non-stick.
Stainless steel cookware is cheap, easy to clean, and extremely durable. Nonstick pans are for people who don't know shit.
They're not really easy to clean, but I'm sure I'm also "cooking wrong". With that said I only ever use cast iron so I don't really care
A proper stainless steel frying pan here costs about 100€+, more than a similar sized carbon steel or cast iron would cost
It's not planned obsolescence but something remarkably similar. They can be made for cheaper, go to shit eventually, then they wind up in a landfill while the consumer buys yet another. All wrapped up in slick marketing.
Love being able to use steel wool on my wok without worry
This seems pretty stupid, just use carbon steel or cast iron: They both work great and don't poison everyone!
Both of these do require more maintenance and patience than nonstick, which will inevitably make some people upset
I don't fully agree with this, I've had nonstick pans in the past, and I had to baby the shit out of them to make sure they didn't scratch, and they can only really be used in certain applications (never in the oven, don't preheat, etc.)
I tossed my cast iron pan into a 800 degree pizza oven the other day and did not worry about anything. I beat the crap out of it with metal utensils, that are sturdier and better than their plastic counterparts, and it comes out smiling.
Yes I do have to hand wash it, but even that is easier because I can scrape any stuck on food off with a metal spatula or chainmail scrubber. If that's a deal breaker, just go stainless and move on.
If I was French I'd probably demonstrate against the lobby groups and the government decision right now.
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