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submitted 2 years ago by Parellius@lemmy.world to c/gaming@beehaw.org

I'm currently playing Diablo IV (and having a blast with it) but finding one small gripe which I only think is going to get worse and probably stop me playing it completely in the long run.

My girlfriend is currently pregnant. This means in 6 months time we'll have a newborn. With this in mind I'm expecting to only be able to grab a few minutes at a time to game and even when I think I'll have longer I may end up jumping off at short notice. This means I'll almost certainly come to rely on games which I can pause. Unfortunately this isn't possible with Diablo IV since it requires an always online connection even though I'm essentially playing it as a single player game.

What are other people's thoughts?

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[-] sorenant@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I wouldn't buy such game. "Would" because so far none of the games that interests me required constant connection. I don't play multiplayer games to begin with so it's easy to avoid.

[-] loops@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

it requires an always online connection even though I’m essentially playing it as a single player game.

That is awful. What are their reasons for that?

[-] Deestan@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It prevents the most obvious cheating like savegame editing, save scum item duplication, and similar. If the game has PvP, an item shop or leaderboards while still allowing your game character to be taken online when you feel like it, it makes technical sense.

If you don't want to participate in leaderboards and just play single player and maybe co-op or PvP with trusted friends or on a curated server (like people do in Minecraft, Space Engineers, Terraria, old school shooters...), it's just a degradation.

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[-] Recant@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

Always online games really bug me. For someone like myself that goes out to sea for several weeks as part of my job, I won't have connection during those time periods thus I can't play the game I played.

Additionally, if the company removes the servers that the game connects to once the game has been out for whatever they determine to be "long enough" the game becomes unplayable

I haven't seen an upside for always online games only downsides. Totally understand that games with an online multi-player component need that internet connection but there is no reason, that I have seen, that are single player games or have single player components need always online connection.

[-] rgalex@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I don't like it. I play with a Steam Deck from my bed and the Wi-Fi connection is pretty bad from there. I easily loose connection every five minutes.

That means I can't play any games that require constan online connection, which is a bummer.

[-] jherazob@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

If a game demands always online, I'll avoid it, period. These days I have no interest on stuff like that.

[-] dreadedchalupacabra@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

The always online is bad. The micro-transactions are worse. I'm tired of being told "But it's just cosmetic!" Yeah, well that used to come with the game too. "They need to be able to make more content!" Yeah, it's made over 666 million dollars. They can afford more content. "At least it's not..." That shouldn't exist either.

Games, and expansion packs. That's it. Day one MTX is insulting. "here's your game, pay to unlock more of it" should not be a thing we accept. At this point I half expect a back-slide to pay full price and then a sub to actually play the game. I can not wrap my head around why people defend it, I've stopped buying games with MTX entirely.

Diablo 2 resurrected is quite good, though. Nailed that one.

[-] Varyag@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

Unless it's an online multiplayer game, it's an instant Nope button for me. I generally refuse to be locked out of my singleplayer content if I lose Internet connection, your servers go down, or worse... get shut down intentionally due to licensing deals ending.

[-] Nyanix@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

I hate that "Games as a Service" are preventing the longevity of games. I worry about all of the incredible stories and experiences that these games provide being very quickly lost to time.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

The only reason to require an Internet connection for a game is if it's primarily multiplayer.

[-] ackthxbye@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

I refuse to buy always-online games. Not being able to pause is just dumb (and probably could be fixed if Blizzard would still give a damn). But not being able to mod the game is a deal-breaker for me, an ARPG that can't be modded is not worth my time.

[-] Rhabuko@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

Last month, construction workers did something in our street. I didn't have Landline Internet for a whole week. Always Online is pretty horrible for single player games.

[-] Lurra@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Never was a fan of the change. I grew up before internet was common place in many households. Only thing you had to worry about was if the game cartridge had too much dust lol.

[-] SmugBedBug@lemmy.iswhereits.at 3 points 2 years ago

Gotta love the OG multiplayer split screen. Or even better 2 players on the same screen... I'm looking at you TMNT!

[-] narc0tic_bird@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

In case of Diablo IV in my opinion Blizzard has a good track record of keeping game servers online for years and years.

That being said, the game does have some weird server hopping mechanic that you can't turn off, meaning it seems to switch servers while you're playing, which isn't always as seamless as you'd hope it would be. Also, at least for me, it sometimes selects servers with >100ms latency, which is quite noticeable of course.

[-] lionel@toot.coupou.fr 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

@Parellius
I despise them. I only buy them if I'm going to play online with friends but I know at some point if I want to play solo I'm going to have to get a "less connected" version of them...

Now if I only need the solo experience, well...

Another issue arises now that handheld PC gaming is getting more and more popular. Those games will definitely ignore a big part of their potential customer base, and I assume suffer the consequences

[-] catcarlson@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

Definite no from me. Applies to all apps, really: there should always be an offline mode unless always-on is absolutely required (i.e., accessing a website/API is the app's sole purpose).

This is a big problem for me with mobile games, since developers seem to have forgotten that cell service is not universal, capable of failure, and often metered.

Of course, there are still annoying edge cases. A bunch of apps I have don't strictly require always-on connection, but they have a check-in at startup. They skip the check if you have no service at all, but if you have service without data, they just sit there without timing out.

[-] Bretzel@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Very bad idea and I don't understand why it is becoming the norm. Let's say you want to play again Diablo 4 in a few years (probably because you will be taking care of your kid) but all the player base has disappeared. If Blizzard cuts the servers to save some money, you will not be able to play the game on an official instance, even if it is only single player. Let's say the servers won't shut down down, another issue remains. Users who want to play in public areas or when travelling won't be able to launch the game (rip steam deck users).

[-] ninetynine@lemmy.film 4 points 2 years ago

I only play Destiny 2 (always online) and Civilization 5 and 6 (only online for multiplayer). If a game is a live game like Destiny or Fortnite then I can understand it but not having an offline mode in a game like Diablo seems really dumb.

[-] raresbears 4 points 2 years ago

Hate it with a passion

[-] MobBarley@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

definitely a turnoff for me.. years ago when I first discovered Diablo 2 on an old computer at a place I was house-sitting at, I had no internet whatsoever.. nothing
that game kept me sane in so many ways
eventually several months later I managed to leech some web access from an old construction yard or something behind the place, but that's a story for another time..

[-] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 3 points 2 years ago

I don't buy always online games. Period.

[-] BlackCoffee@fedia.io 3 points 2 years ago

It made me stop buying games and consoles in the first place.

You have to be online, the game has to be downloaded on the system, there will be bugs and it has to be patched.

Just let me buy a game and play it. I may sound like an old fart but I really enjoyed the days that I could go to a store, buy a game and play it immediately on my console.

Especially the fact that bugs are literally shipped like features now and you just have to accept that your game of 80-90 dollars is ridden with bugs, yeah fuck off really.

[-] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

If a game has a single player mode without features that require internet, and isn't accessible without wifi, thats just lazy design imo.

[-] a_cat@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

I really dislike it, but it won't stop me from buying a game. I was recently without internet and went to play a game on my Steam Deck and was surprised to find a game I had been playing required access.

What bugs me most about it is that it seems like everything these days is tilted towards the companies. If a game doesn't require the internet, the only reason it's there is to collect data on what you're doing and maybe to help enforce DRM. It's bad enough that I can only rent games from Steam (although bless Valve for making gaming on Linux so good), now I can't even play the games I "own" if I don't have a pipe back to the company? Ugh.

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[-] dcooksta26@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I don't like it and try not to play games where it's a requirement. Especially in single player games.

[-] aerir@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

I have accepted the fact that this would be the new normal since Diablo 3 and the infamous error 37. It was a problem back then when good internet is hard to come by. But at 2023, unless there's zero online elements in a particular game, I have no issue with always online requirement.

Good that we still have great titles from Nintendo eg. TotK

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[-] Captain_Pieces@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

Personally it's never effected me but it feels like a really dumb decision made by ignorant suits. The fact that pirates get a better product than paying customers is pretty sad.

[-] Super_Stone@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

I dont like always online games, since I have had connection issues for a long time before I moved which made it almost impossible to play multiplayer games for me. And now my W-LAN card on my computer died without the option to use LAN. I am already glad that I can still access Denuvo "protected" games since those need to send some stuff to Denuvos sometimes.

[-] withersailor@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago

Nah. I don't have a reliable or constant connection. Constant online anything doesn't work.

[-] GiuEliNo@feddit.it 3 points 2 years ago

I hate it I try to always avoid always online drm but sometimes it's really impossible, i'm gonna be honest and say that i got some issue with my steamdeck for them. (f u ubisoft btw) So if i find that a singleplayer game needs an always online drm i just don't buy it.

[-] loops@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

Same. I really loved the first two Diablos, but I wouldn't touch the new one because of it. I'll just wait a decade or so and emulate it.

[-] April@fedia.io 3 points 2 years ago

The games I play usually don't support online at all lol. So a game being only online is kinda a deal breaker for me lol.

[-] Ekis@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

An always online requirement is just another form of DRM. If a game has DRM, I simply don't buy it.

[-] Sinfaen@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

How am I supposed to play an always online video game on the plane

[-] MyFeetOwnMySoul@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

My internet access is through metered connections, so I find it quite agrivating to be forced to burn precious cap space on a game that could totally be local only.

[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

I have avoided the Hitman series because of their always online requirement. One day I loaded it up only to be told I couldn't play their single player game because their servers were down for maintenance.

I'm not paying $60 for a single player game that I won't be able to play when the company has server issues.

[-] crisinho@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

I try to avoid games with always online as much as possible but sometimes you don't have choice. If you want to play Diablo IV there's not much else you could do. But at least Diablo has some form of multiplayer. If you have a solely single player experience with always online, it's just bullshit. The DRM is only punishing players that pay for the game. If you insist to implement this kind of DRM then please go ahead but then you also have to run the servers forever. If you don't then why should I buy your game?

[-] tyler@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

In the case of Diablo IV, I really think it needs to do more to earn its always online status. I’m hoping that future updates and things will bring more MMO-like features as I think it would be a perfect fit

[-] Krafty@fedia.io 2 points 2 years ago

@Parellius I prefer games that I can play offline if I need to, but I have been a Diablo fan for over 20 years. Of course I purchased Diablo 4.

[-] tom@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago

Hate it as I have a Steam Deck so I just wouldn’t play it if it needed an online connection as I play a lot when travelling.

Happened when I was away with some mates and we tried to play FIFA which needed an initial online connection to Origin. Was infuriating trying to get it work with bad mobile connection

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