I know what I'm doing, I just don't care : piracy

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 109 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 43 points 3 years ago

Piracy explicitly is not stealing.

Piracy is attacking ships at sea and is usually done in order to rob them.

[-] Uriel238@lemmy.fmhy.ml 25 points 3 years ago

Piracy is midnight oyster and clam harvesting without a license to break the oyster cartel, making restaurant oysters and clams more available and cheaper to customers.

It is from this grand tradition along the US West Coast that the notion of media piracy rose, and much like the Golden Age of Piracy robbing the Spanish Silver Train, piracy is associated with snatching ill-gotten gains from those who don't deserve it, sometimes benefiting communities that do. (YMMV).

[-] egonallanon@lemm.ee 13 points 3 years ago

This is why you get a letter of marque to give you legitimacy. I've been letioning my government for one endlessly so I can attack Russian shipping in the balkans.

[-] Uriel238@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 3 years ago

A letter of marque means you can find safe port at colonies of the issuing state so long as you are attacking its enemies (usually Spanish vessels during the Golden Age).

[-] VivaceMoss@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago

And privateering is piracy when you have the consent of a government to attack ships belonging to another government

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[-] myslsl@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Regardless of the semantics of what we call theft, or whether theft requires denying somebody access to some good, there's an ethical issue with copying other people's stuff without permission. If a person breaks into another persons home and makes copies of all of the documents in their home private or otherwise, they've at least committed a crime in the form of breaking and entering. But if a person is invited into another persons home, and then without pemission copies all of the documents in the house, that still feels like a wrong act? Like, if you invite me into your house and I start copying down your personal journal, your family photos and other stuff you have lying around, to me that sounds like I'd be doing something wrong by you?

Edit: I do want to point out here that I'm not saying piracy is inherently wrong/bad or never justified.

[-] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 13 points 3 years ago

Corporations are not people, no matter what the Supreme Court says.

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[-] SmellyNinja@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago

Piracy is stealing- but so is capitalism so it’s fine.

[-] FoxBJK@midwest.social 10 points 3 years ago

It may sound the same but making a copy of something is absolutely not the same as taking something. It’s an important distinction.

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[-] Narrrz@kbin.social 6 points 3 years ago

that's an interesting definition, and one that appeals to me especially as a fan of "harmless" theft (taking something that the owner will never notice is gone, nor be inconvenienced by the lack of)

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[+] stappern@lemmy.one 34 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

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[-] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 28 points 3 years ago

aside: why can't lemmy just let me expand the thumbnail without directing me to an external site

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 14 points 3 years ago

To add onto that, on the Jerboa app (not sure about other apps), if I try to click on an image in a comment, it just minimizes the comment. I'd love to be able to click on pictures in comments, as well, and have the thumbnail expand.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 3 years ago

Don't make me tap the sidebar again...

[-] Uriel238@lemmy.fmhy.ml 27 points 3 years ago

Media Piracy is copyright infringement, which is totally not stealing.

The US Supreme Court taking content out of the public domain so that it can be reserved for private use isn't stealing either, but it causes more harm than piracy.

[-] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] Shere_Khan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 years ago

That's dumb. If you are supposed to pay for something and you just take it instead, you stole it. You can argue word meanings and technicallies all day, but it's a lot easier to just be real about what we are doing here.

[-] Poggervania@kbin.social 15 points 3 years ago

Theft is the taking of another person’s personal property with the intent of depriving that person of the use of their property.

If you stole a car, you physically took something away from somebody. If you download a car, the original is still there - you’re just making an exact copy for yourself for free. Same if you swiped a candy bar at a gas station - you’re depriving that gas station the use of their property, which is to sell and make money. If you download a candy bar, nothing is taken and the gas station can still sell the original.

So let’s be crystal clear here: what’s happening is not theft, because nothing was taken and the owner is not deprived of the use of their property. Can you argue that you’re getting something for free when you shouldn’t? Yes, and that’s more in line of denying profits rather than actual theft.

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[-] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 24 points 3 years ago

Embedding image directly for mobile users:

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[-] pocolaton@sopuli.xyz 23 points 3 years ago

I don't know man. Where I live the law says it's not stealing. It says: legal to share, illegal to share for profit. On other words: legal to share, illegal to sell.

[-] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 7 points 3 years ago

And where would that be?

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[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 years ago

Talk about blowing smoke up your own ass.

[-] platysalty@kbin.social 19 points 3 years ago

I honestly don't care about the legality. Plus I come from a country where we have way bigger issues to deal with than piracy.

All I care about is coming up with ways to make sure my friends watch some of the stuff I recommend to them. Best way is still going "hey, check out this cool new show. Yes it's on saltyflix"

[-] Monologue@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 years ago

that is exactly where i am at as well, battling with absurdly high inflation is already hard enough i can't pay for bajillion different streaming services or non indie games

[-] worfamerryman@beehaw.org 8 points 3 years ago

I’m living in one of those countries. I still use a vpn, but I don’t anyone here does besides me.

But the way I look at it is, the people so make these things are also so rich out at least have higher incomes than I do by a significant amount.

Why are you asking me for money? Don’t you have enough?

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[-] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

It's a lot earlier when you realize that everyone else is going to treat this world like a smash and grab regardless of what you do. These companies ~~included~~ especially.

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[-] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 years ago

Or you could just not give a flying fuck about the moral and ethical aspects and go on with your life.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago

Live the unexamined life? But then who will pay attention to me?

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 years ago

If no one loses anything they never had in the first place it is not stealing

[-] AndreyAsimow@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago

I live on a small island and the closest cinema or shop where I could buy anything is 3 hours away.

Piracy is more comfortable for me.

then why don't you subscribe to streaming services?

Well, my friend: I don't like to be locked out of other regions.

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[-] cacheson@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago

This meme is stealing.

[-] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 years ago

You wouldn't download a meme.

[-] cacheson@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago

You wouldn't shitpost in the policeman's helmet

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[-] Peruvia@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 years ago

"But I want to support those little poor billionares, who's going to look after their livehood and ethical buisness?"

The more you pay for big brands, whatever product you buy, be it clothes, food, or any form of knowledge, the more you drive up the sales, the more you reinforce the idea that money is a tool only a few chosen are rightful of having, just like the riches and the labour of the many. (Buy from local producers as much as you can)

Ironically enough, pirating makes people more aware of what it consumes, what labor is and mostly to get to support creators directly for what they put out. You can't steal from corporations, you only get back the unpaid /underpaid labour of many. Quality content and effort should be rewarded, so please support/help your creators in any way you can.

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[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 years ago

I am proud of pirating and I don't get why people who also pirate would have a problem with that. Like you think it's wrong and do it anyway, but think people who don't think it's wrong are cringe somehow? What's wrong with standing up for what you believe in?

[-] RedCanasta@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 3 years ago

More pirates vs pirates memes when it should be pirates vs executives

[-] Selmafudd@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago

Yep, I pirate for the same reason my dog licks his balls.. because we can

[-] darcy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 years ago

i disagree. not that i would care anyway

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