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I know what I'm doing, I just don't care (imgflip.com)

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[-] Shere_Khan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 years ago

That's dumb. If you are supposed to pay for something and you just take it instead, you stole it. You can argue word meanings and technicallies all day, but it's a lot easier to just be real about what we are doing here.

[-] Poggervania@kbin.social 15 points 3 years ago

Theft is the taking of another person’s personal property with the intent of depriving that person of the use of their property.

If you stole a car, you physically took something away from somebody. If you download a car, the original is still there - you’re just making an exact copy for yourself for free. Same if you swiped a candy bar at a gas station - you’re depriving that gas station the use of their property, which is to sell and make money. If you download a candy bar, nothing is taken and the gas station can still sell the original.

So let’s be crystal clear here: what’s happening is not theft, because nothing was taken and the owner is not deprived of the use of their property. Can you argue that you’re getting something for free when you shouldn’t? Yes, and that’s more in line of denying profits rather than actual theft.

[-] honey-im-meat-grinding@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago

So you're doing something you personally believe is unethical and your argument is that we should also follow your belief that it is unethical, while we continue to do it? If you genuinely feel it's unethical, why are you even doing it? Just stop lol

[-] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago

By your own definition, if you TAKE it, you stole it. Nothing is taken.

[-] hoodatninja@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

but it’s a lot easier to just be real about what we are doing here.

That's always the most frustrating part about these "debates." So many people make up BS excuses they know are just excuses instead of just owning up to what they - and probably we - are doing. Just take responsibility for your actions. Don't insult my intelligence with stuff we both know is nonsense.

"It's for game/movie/TV preservation!" - someone who has no archival experience or affiliation with a group that makes use of this media which also happens to only consist of things the individual enjoys.
"The record companies are screwing artists over!" - someone who has put no effort into finding other ways to support the artist and pirates from artists who have good relationships with their labels or even self-publish.
"I didn't take anything from the person!" - someone who wouldn’t want their writing/art/etc. taken and shared without their permission.

[-] ProfessorZhu 3 points 3 years ago

It's just not stealing, you guys can whine all you want and twist the meaning of stealing to a fifth graders understanding but it doesn't change the fact that it is not stealing. Is it wrong or right? That's another debate that is worth having,but weather or not it's "stealing" has an obvious answer which is no. There is no debate

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