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The best defense, it seems, is a cheap EV of our own.
No shit. Proving yet again that auto industry executives are complete morons waiting for another bailout.
Ford didn't need or take a bailout.
They did ask for one from Congress, and when asked during testimony if they requested money from Mexico or China, the response was, "No, We're profitable in those countries."
But Ford mortgaged their brand instead and came out on top.
From what I can tell, it’s still in the ~$50,000 range.
I don’t really see how that can be considered ’cheap’.
And it still harvests all your private information to continually make more money off of you
But why is it so ugly?
Yeah, I don't know why everything is moving toward that ugly crossover form. They're ugly as sin IMO.
It's the carcinization of automobiles. Tall station wagons are simply the most practical shape for cars to be.
Frankly, the thing that bothers me about the Mustang Mach E isn't the shape, but rather the fact that they desecrated the name of what's supposed to be a low-slung coupe.
Frankly, the thing that bothers me about the Mustang Mach E isn’t the shape, but rather the fact that they desecrated the name of what’s supposed to be a low-slung coupe.
The shape bothers me a lot, but this bothers me more. They could have just called it the Bronco. Or the Fairlane.
But if cars are all going to look like that in the future I guess I'm never buying a car again.
I would hate this car much less than I do if they had called it anything BUT a Mustang.
It's much more like a mustang than a bronco. Regardless, If Ford wants to call it a mustang, it's a mustang.
Ford should launch a sub-brand called Denver and then launch it as the Bronco. And then sell it exclusively in the UK.
No, they should relaunch the Ford Prefect and it should come with a towel
As much as I hate it, having a 50 year old blue collar welder with 2 Chevy trucks parked out front come over and get excited about "The new Mustang" made me realize how perfect that decision was. People can complain about it all they want, but I don't think it would have been anywhere close to being as successful otherwise.
Nobody lost money underestimating the American consumer
I think it's worse than them being ugly. I think the dimensions and visibility for crossovers makes people worse drivers. Massive blind spots, zero rear visibility, huge amounts of body roll in curves, and the danger of rollover are all worse in this body scheme.
It's so bad that they have to add technology like rear cameras, BLIS, and traction control to attempt to fix it because they can't just make a car with reasonable dimensions and good sight lines.
The MachE doesn’t really suffer from any of those issues. I had no major blind spots, in fact smaller than what I’ve been used to. Rear view mirrors were very effective, it’s a “Mustang like suspension” so it was super stable, to the point of uncomfortably stiff. With the battery pack underneath, the center of gravity makes a roll over extremely unlikely.
Your points are accurate for many other CUVs, especially ICE ones. But not the MachE. It has its own issues mind you. Specifically the suspension being so bumpy it induces car sickness. A, frankly, obscene amount of power which tempts bad driving habits. And the worst central control system I’ve ever experienced.
I'm glad the MachE doesn't have those issues, but you raise a good point about it having an obscene amount of power. A lot of EVs have way too much power for the average person.
You just listed a bunch of features that are standard on most vehicles these days.
And the reason they're standard is because the cars aren't built correctly
Rear cameras were mandated after a bunch of kids playing behind their parents car were run over, traction control exists because road conditions change throughout the year in most areas and blind spot monitors exist because all cars have blind spots and it reduces collisions. Saying all cars are built incorrectly with zero supporting argument isn't much of an argument. Cars are safer than they've ever been and much of the sight line issues are related to reinforced pillars to protect occupants in a crash.
Sorry, I forgot the Internet is Serious Business™
Well nobody forced you to make unfounded declarations as if you're a subject matter expert.
I'm not going to argue with someone who doesn't know what traction control does
Is that more of your expert analysis? I'm really curious what you think it does and why "it's installed on CUVs because all cars are built wrong."
At a time when there's added scrutiny on the rollover potential of sport utility vehicles, automakers are turning to technology to improve their handling and safety performance.
All major automakers will offer advanced stability systems on large SUVs in the coming model year, using technology that helps ensure a smoother ride on their upscale vehicles in the hopes of instilling better confidence in their SUVs. Source
I'm old enough to remember SUVs and Ford Explorers specifically being death traps because they rolled over at the drop of a hat. Traction control (ESC) is designed to prevent that.
If they weren't so top-heavy, they wouldn't roll over so easily and wouldn't need traction control.
Traction control and stability control are two different things. Traction control checks for wheel slippage and either brakes or cuts power to the wheel that is slipping so that you maintain traction in inclement weather like rain, snow, and ice.
Stability control adjusts your suspension on the fly to prevent G-forces from causing you to lose control of the vehicle.
Your mention of Explorer and other SUV rollovers has little to do with modern CUVs as those were body on frame vehicles built with 1980s technology. CUVs are just taller modern sedans with unibody construction.
Yeah, definitely not arguing with someone who doesn't know what traction control is.
Well, it's a good thing you're not then, right?
Your own source calls this system "stability control." Can you explain what traction has to do with rollovers? Adding more traction to the tires when you're sliding sideways makes a rollover more likely...
lmao you really pulled a "it's just a prank, bro!"
The yellow is indeed bad. But it's still one of the better looking EVs...
But why is it so ugly?
He literally just told you
I think they told someone else…
I much rather take my old car and pay to have the ICE engine taken out and replaced with a crate EV motor.
The problem is not the motor (as much) as it is where to put the batteries. Replacing just the gas tank on my tiny Subaru with a battery is not going to give the range I need.
Ya, unfortunately that's the problem. But the majority of people don't need to drive over 100 miles a day and most kits these days are over 100 now.
That take only works for families with multiple cars. A car would be pointless for me with a less than a 450km (280m) range.
That is a crazy commute. What line of work are you in that requires that much driving a day?
That's not a commute. I don't commute by car at all. I bike or take transit if I have to commute. A cars sole purpose for me is long trips with the family and going to the cottage, which is 320km away.
Not OP but a rural Canadian and farmer, I live 200km from the city. While I usually only go once every week or two, if I can't make it there and back for any number of supplies that I might need in a hurry (parts, veterinary, hospital etc) then a vehicle is useless to me.
Even if the published range could barely squeeze it in, with winter temperatures dropping into the -30s any reduction in range would be a huge issue.
The thought of being badly injured while my car is sitting low on charge is terrifying. I always keep over 1/2 a tank in my car and also in my 4wd farm truck in case of bad weather.
Honestly the drop in kits are not for everyone. It's really for people with a pure commuter car and a longer range vehicle that could be a hybrid, PHEV, All new electric or even ICE engine. Considering the average American family has over 2 cars, it's quite possible.
I do own a little electric jeep with around 10 miles of range, it's great for around the farm use. That's where I like having the farmyard with plenty of room, I can keep special purpose vehicles.
It's kind of a conversion-ish thing itself, Pinto transmission and rear end, heavy old 8hp series motor. 1970s electric tech.
The big killer here is insurance. I'm lucky to insure it as an antique for very little money, but if you have to insure a special purpose car it's often not worth the fuel you save. I think they should have a special insurance program for short range cars, as you clearly can only drive one car at a time.
It's also the same BS excuse every lazy ICE adherent makes. "Bwaaah I needs to drive over five hundy miles a day." It's nonsense and I'm quite comfortable calling it a lie. You might want to take a 500 mile road trip. But not every day you don't ya lazy liars.
And yes: there exist occupational life choices that lead one to a life where you might travel that distance in a single day. But in your own personal vehicle?
Lies.
That would probably be way more expensive
Well, I have an old Audi TT that's completely paid off. There is a 13k drop in kit for the Mk3 and MK4 VW golf which is the same chassis.
It's only a little over 100 miles so there is that and I'm going to lose the Quattro, so it's something that needs to be considered.
It looks like a Tonka toy
Fusion capacitor engines from elite dangerous when
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