This is an actual conversation I had with my oldest nephew when we went to the Boston Tea Party Museum last week.

"If you ever hear people complaining that damaging commercial property during a protest is unacceptable, remember what you learn about the Tea Party today. Our country was literally founded on protests trashing commercial property. And remember that some people complained to them that it was unacceptable too."

Jesse's absolutely right. The only reason our politicians are governing us is because we let them. Occasionally they need to be reminded of that fact.

Based take.

I swear, if you could teleport some people back to the French revolution, they'd be like "No need to protest, the king will give up absolute power on his own if we keep asking nicely" 🙄

Would be nice if we could start at not demonizing peaceful protests. Nowadays any protest is seen as a massive misguided problem of you so much as block a street.

I'm with Jesse on this one

We remember the reasonable ones positively, but it isn’t all of them. It’s important to remember that not all riots or protests are to create a more equitable society. Unite the right was a riot for example and one could easily call Mussolini’s march on rome a protest.

Speaking in terms of the USA, the constitution was built with the intended reasonable pursuit of escalating properly-to violence If need be. Peaceful protests, voting, freedom of speech, etc. are all avenues of reprimand towards an over reaching or overbearing government. Violence was seen as acceptable and even necessary in some cases but was never intended as a first resort.

This is why right to bear arms exists along with all the other approaches. Now it's a matter or decision by the people of what methods have been exhausted, which are futile, and what is next.

Revolting, fighting, and force in the name of freedom from a truly oppressive government is a necessary sacrifice for any people who wish to live with the freedoms that brings regardless of nationality, location, or beliefs.

Clarifications: This is not against any government for any disagreement, just truly oppressive ones that strip human rights from the people.

Violence should never be a first resort, but has it's place among negotiations.

Personal opinion: These means should not be used for ones own benefit, you are upset because of the ways of life for all the people, the rights of your people, there is a fair likelihood this method will result in a world you will never see or benefit significantly from, its for others; those that follow. How else would I be able to sit here and eat bugles if someone didn't strive for a world good enough for me to do so?

my favorite is whenever i encounter the phrase "non-permitted protest". like, the idea that you should ask permission from the authority you're protesting before doing so: it's just so laughably missing the point

Yep.. People hate protests because they don't understand that's how it has always worked.

Americans needs to fucking quit their jobs and go peotest. Your country is shit and sitting idly by and posting memes about it, wont solve anything

Look at france.

We should just start calling riots championship football celebrations. Then the media and the pols would love them.

When I was growing up I had a lot of right-wing influences in my ear; I almost grew up to be an alt-right/fascist psycho. I've reformed now, and I'm the polar opposite of where I was when I was younger, but I hope I can offer a little insight into why protest is so demonized: it's because people don't think it actually works.

Protests, riots, and other public shows of solidarity are viewed in the same way as a petition: it's not going to actually get anything done, it's just raising awareness and trying to get people to agree with you. This is, of course, a fundamental misunderstanding of what protest (or even petitions) are really about... But when I was in that mindset, I didn't care to know more, and I didn't bother to read into. There's a great deal of cognitive dissonance regarding it, because historically-speaking, protests are typically lionized, i.e. the Boston Tea Party.

I'm not saying to sympathize either; being a fashy shithead is first and foremost a choice. I just hope this helps with understanding a bit more. ACAB, taxation is theft, keep fighting the good fight.

As a Portlander, we had our fair share of riots... The problem is any lack of a coherent message.

Things would start off fine during the day with a Black Lives Matter protest, but as soon as the sun went down it became taken over by anarchist white kids who just wanted an excuse to break things and steal shit.

Not all protests are the same, and when you have people attacking an Historical Society for no good goddamn reason, that's where you lose support:

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2021/04/portland-church-park-historical-society-damaged-in-downtown-riot-the-destruction-is-pretty-gnarly.html

Same for blocking streets and freeways. You want to piss off your intended audience? Keep them from going home.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/06/09/portland-protesters-briefly-seize-a-freeway-but-police-refrain-from-using-more-force/

To top things off... the things they were protesting had fuck all to do with Portland. What do you want Portland to do about ANY of this shit?

Fucking preach. France was rioting for literally NOTHING. And we're losing hundreds of thousands to drugs/homlessness/no healthcare/etc.

Where the fuck are the organizers? I'm in Texas and I'm just about done w/ this shit.

When localities pass ordinances to restrict more peaceful protests, they run the risk of pressurizing into even more violent and illegal protest situations.

I try to explain this to my dad. Protest means that people are unhappy and feel like their voices aren't being heard. People need to be motivated to do it. It's an effect, not a cause.

Riots are a last resort because people end up dead or in jail if they fail. You want to keep people who are on your side free and alive while achieving your goals.

The real question is, what changed? Why are we no longer ready to go up in arms against our governments for literally violating us?

As long as no one is damaging private property of people who have nothing to do with what is being rioted over.

Seems like Heisenburg was a one trick pony. Jesse was the real visionary all along!

This is disgusting, I love breaking bad and to see you blatantly lie and spread misinformation to turn the show homosexual is disgusting. You communists need to stop lying and stop turning everything gay.