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To everybody new to this topic, the doctors aren’t the good guys in this battle. They want to keep their wages up by limiting competition, while the country is suffering under a severe supply shortage already.
Agreed. Here's some more context:
Korea has the second-lowest number of physicians among members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, leading to some of the highest doctors' wages among surveyed member nations.
Doctors in Korea earn the most among 28 member countries that provided related data. Following Korea, the highest earners are in the Netherlands, Germany, Ireland and the UK. The US was among the countries for which data was not provided.
Measured by PPP, which takes into account local living costs, salaried specialists earned an average of $192,749 annually in 2020, According to the 2023 OECD Health Statistics report. That was 60 percent more than the OECD average. Korean GP salaries ranked sixth.
... The country also ranked low in the number of medical school graduates -- 7.3 per 100,000 people, which is the third-lowest after Israel and Japan, and nearly half the OCED average of 14 graduates for every 100,000 people.
there's a bit more minutiae to it. doctors across the board there are concerned that they're increasing intern Dr headcounts while having no solid plan to support that financially. while at the same time, care to patients in Korea (a place known for having advanced healthcare from elite doctors) is already declining due lack of funding. intern doctors across the world are already underpaid as a unit as a whole, so intern doctors would probably just rather see their pays increase than have headcount increases. and senior doctors would rather just see their interns have better lives. so I wouldn't say the doctors are the bad guys necessarily either. they have legitimate concerns and government has been wagging them for years now too.
the Korean media has largely portrayed this as greed or that the medical students being salty they studied their asses off to get into med school, but that's not the largest issue for the medical workers in korea (although it is also a part of it too). the general public would just love available, cheaper healthcare and increasing headcount sounds like the easiest way to do that (which it is), so the tune the media is putting out sounds pretty nice.
this system happens here in the US too. the US medical system does not churn out enough people for required positions, and interns here are getting destroyed as a result of policy. I'm almost positive if the US did something similar, US doctors would react the same way.
Fucking good on ‘em.
It’s so rare to see an entire industry come together like this in support of the “lowest” (experienced vs newbies) members of its field.
I’m even more impressed it’s Korea rocking the boat.
This is a group of well earning people who try to blackmail the government into keeping the supply of doctors artificially low. What a noble bunch!
They oppose the government’s plan to increase the country’s medical school admission cap by two-thirds, saying schools can’t handle such a steep increase in students and that it would eventually hurt South Korea’s medical services
Tell me what sort of quality education you would get if your university class had increased by 2/3rd in size?
If anything the world needs to trend towards smaller sizes with a focus on quality over quantity.
Maybe if they started with a plan to increase teachers and facilities by 2/3rds I’d be a bit more willing to support the governments initiative.
I disagree with you here.
In my home province of Quebec in Canada, we have a major shortage of doctors. Access to healthcare has become incredibly difficult.
The college of medical doctors actively acts as a bottleneck to allow only a certain amount of students to be admissible.
We have a single payer medical system here. The doctors in our province also happen to be amongst the best paid in Canada.
This isn't about the equality of education. This is about a bunch of professionals who want to stay in high demand so they can have an advantage in negotiations for salary and conditions at the detriment of the population.
And this artificial shortage was in big part put in place by ill intentioned doctors in neoliberal parties
*I'm not exactly sure why I got downvoted for this. If you disagree please explain to me how the Réforme Barrette is anything but neoliberal austerity politics.
No, you're right. But the intention still remains to keep doctors in high demand so they can negotiate for more.
We need more doctors. Why won't medical colleges allow more students in???
But that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm agree with your post and point out who the fuck did this to us. So again, I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted.
Lemmy gremlins probably.
How do you get enough people to increase those teachers and facilities if you never increase the amount of doctors? Earlier they've literally shown comments about how doctors are complaining it'll lower their pay and prestige.
If anything the world needs to trend towards smaller sizes with a focus on quality over quantity.
You do realize this is about doctors, right?
In what world do you live in where fewer doctors is an improvement?
You *do *realize this is about the quality of doctors training, right?
What world do you live in where you want a McHospital to slice you open?
What’s better boss, no doctor or a good one?
Nearly the exact same one.
Med school isn’t high school or university. It’s largely large group lectures with individual rotations in health care settings.
And if there's more students, those students can be TA's and plan study sessions.
Don’t think med school had TAs
Oh. ):
These doctors are not telling the whole story. More context from the article:
Public surveys show that a majority of South Koreans support the government’s push to create more doctors, and critics say that doctors, one of the highest-paid professions in South Korea, worry about lower incomes due to a rise in the number of doctors.
Officials say more doctors are required to address a long-standing shortage of physicians in rural areas and in essential but low-paying specialties. But doctors say newly recruited students would also try to work in the capital region and in high-paying fields like plastic surgery and dermatology. They say the government plan would also likely result in doctors performing unnecessary treatments due to increased competition.
Hmm who would know more about what the medical profession needs, medical professionals or the public? I'mma go with the doctors on this one. If the government wants to increase the number of doctors, they can ensure they will be properly trained.
Tell me what sort of quality education you would get if your university class had increased by 2/3rd in size?
this is a valid point, but it's not a point i see junior doctors striking for. it's not like the quality of education that a country offers after they've graduated would weigh so heavily on their minds.
occam's razor applies here. they are worried that there will suddenly be an influx of new doctors that will reduce their own earning capacity.
your point on expanding facilities first won't help end the strike since it doesn't address the core problem. the government should simply look to sneakily boil the frog here (and this is only because being the last in a list of doctor:patient ratio is never a good thing).
LOL that's not how medical school works. You're in lecture just like any student and then off to internships/residency/etc where you do the real learning.
You've got this one wrong. This one is protectionism. They want to keep the number of doctors low so that they can earn money EVEN THOUGH THAT HURTS THE PUBLIC.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — Senior doctors at major hospitals in South Korea began submitting their resignations en masse Monday in support of medical interns and residents who have been on a strike for five weeks over the government’s push to sharply increase medical school admissions.
The senior doctors’ action won’t likely cause an immediate worsening of hospital operations in South Korea because they have said they would continue to work even after submitting their resignations.
About 12,000 interns and medical residents have faced impending suspensions of their licenses over their refusal to end their strikes, which have caused hundreds of cancelled surgeries and other treatments at their hospitals.
But officials say more doctors are urgently needed because South Korea has a rapidly aging population and its doctor-to-population ratio is one of the lowest in the developed world.
After Sunday’s meeting, Han asked Yoon’s office to “flexibly handle” the issue of planned license suspensions for the striking doctors.
Officials say more doctors are required to address a long-standing shortage of physicians in rural areas and in essential but low-paying specialties.
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