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[-] beefcat@beehaw.org 66 points 7 months ago

The elongated muskrat is learning first hand how the Nazi Bar Problem works

[-] strawberry@kbin.run 13 points 7 months ago

excuse me but what the fuck is the nazi bat problem

[-] Mint@lemmy.one 38 points 7 months ago

You have a bar: Nazi comes into your bar, you let him stay, because why not its just a single nazi. Nazi invites friends, those friends invite their friends, and so on. Now you a have nazi bar.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 27 points 7 months ago

excuse me but what the fuck is the nazi bat problem

When you find a nazi but you can't find a bat.

[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 45 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

He’s making X into a “whites only” platform. What did he expect?

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 19 points 7 months ago

I remain convinced he's killing it on purpose. I don't know a plausible motive, but I guarantee it's on purpose.

[-] kubica@kbin.social 20 points 7 months ago

I used to think so too, but I don't know if he is also bad at that because it is taking him longer than I expected.

[-] A1kmm@lemmy.amxl.com 17 points 7 months ago

If he wanted to kill it on purpose, he could have just shut it down. Maybe to keep the trademark he could have launched some other telecommunications service and used the brand for that.

Elon Musk is all about convincing people to act against their best interests to benefit him. For example, look at Tesla: it has a manufacturing capacity of ~2 million cars per year. Now look at Toyota: it has a manufacturing capacity of ~9 million vehicles per year. Now look at the market capitalisation of each company: for Tesla it is still about $535B, despite some fall from the peak in 2022. For Toyota, it is $416B (which is a record high).

So Toyota makes almost 5 times as many cars a year, but is worth 78% of Tesla? And the production capacity and value gap was even more extreme in the past? I think the question then is, what is going on?

The answer, of course, is Musk. He is very slick at convincing investors to act against their own best interests (usually by suggesting the possibility of things that happen to have the true objective along the way, like full self-driving cars by 2018 rather than competing with existing auto-makers, or 35 minute travel from San Francisco to Los Angeles, or a colony on mars rather than competing with existing satellite companies). This is the same skill-set as a confidence artist. I don't mean to imply that Musk has necessarily done anything illegal, but due to the similarity in skill set, and the large scale at which he operates, it would be fair to call him the most successful con artist in history. Looking at it through this lens can help to identify his motive.

So what would a con artist want with a social network, and why would he want to alienate a whole lot of people, and get a lot of haters?

Well, the truth is that a con artist doesn't need everyone to believe in them to make money - they just need the marks to believe in them. Con artists don't want the people who see through the con (call them the haters for lack of a better word) to interfere with their marks though. At the small scale - e.g. a street con, the con artist might separate a couple where one partner is the mark, to prevent the other from alerting their partner to the scam. But in addition to separating the marks from the haters, con artists use brainwashing techniques to create a psychological barrier between the marks and the haters. A Nigerian Prince scammer might try to convince a mark that their accountant can't be trusted. A religious cult con might brainwash followers to think their family are different from them, and if they try to provide external perspective, they are acting as the devil. They try to make the marks the in-group, and everyone else, even family and friends, the out-group who doesn't care about the in-group.

So what would a con artist in control of a social network do? They would start by giving the con artist the megaphone - amplifying everything the artist says to try to get more marks. In parallel, they'd try to get rid of the haters. They could shadow-ban them so the marks never see what they have to say, or they could put up small barriers the marks will happily jump over, and feel more invested in the platform having done that, but which would scare off the haters. However, the marks and the haters might still interact off the social network - so the scam artist would also want to create a culture war to try to make the marks hate the haters, and ignore anything they say, by amplifying messages hostile to the haters.

So what can you do if you don't want a world wrecked by divisions sewn just so billionaires can be even richer? My suggestion is don't buy into the divisions - work to find common ground with people, even if others are saying just to ignore them because they are different and will never get it, and get in early before the divisions are too deep.

[-] eveninghere@beehaw.org 6 points 7 months ago

The problem with this narrative is that Musk lost money doing so.

[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I agree he’s killing it on purpose. Something to do with information control.

His meeting so long at the Superbowl with Rupert Murdoch in his suite sure didn’t give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

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[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 11 points 7 months ago

When the only people I saw there were the leftest lefties I ever saw... then he just alienated all of them

[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago

Elon is a very odd duck, and not at all in a good way.

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 36 points 7 months ago

With so many options becoming available, increasingly less people will select the platform preferred by Nazis.

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 28 points 7 months ago

Twitter is for fascists & their sympathizers.

[-] fubarx@lemmy.ml 21 points 7 months ago

My wife insists she's staying there for the news and legal people she follows and she has a point. A lot of government, business, and schools continue to use it as an easy way to broadcast information.

Threads pulled off some celebrities, Bsky some policy and legal wonks, and Mastodon the tech geeks. If these services all start federating together and offering unified text and hashtag search, then where you land won't matter.

Until then, it'll be hard to get people to switch away, even with all the bad press.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 30 points 7 months ago

If these services all start federating together

No one should federate with meta.

[-] Cosmocrat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 7 months ago

It's a damn racket when most of the artists I enjoy only post on twatter. Just upload to mastodon too ffs!

[-] breden@reddthat.com 6 points 7 months ago

Is it really a racket though? Most artists are not tech geeks and desire cultivated feeds instead of .. none.

[-] SolNine@lemmy.ml 14 points 7 months ago

I never liked Twitter to begin with, once it became an unabashed environment for hate it was a piece of cake to close my account.

[-] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 13 points 7 months ago

At least thats kind of reassuring in a way, that part of it is people dont want to associate with that stuff. (Though I realize that isnt the only reason)

[-] Tarte@kbin.social 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

He drove me back into using RSS after more than a decade for staying up to date. Much better for the mental health. Thankfully, since Wordpress and also some other CMS have the RSS feature enabled by default, many websites have it even if they’re not advertising it.

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[-] ulkesh@beehaw.org 12 points 7 months ago

Yes, this is what happens when you take a big shit in people's cereal. They tend to leave. I, too, could be an analyst.

[-] Zworf@beehaw.org 6 points 7 months ago

Yeah telling your advertising megacustomers to go F.. themselves on TV and naming them explicitly. Wow. That's some kind of nasty.

It totally proved Disney right, too.

[-] ULS@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago

It's morbid but the only use it has to me is info on live shitty events.

[-] Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 10 points 7 months ago

I only follow specific youtubers and artists. If stray away from my specific feed, Twitter is too scary lol. I am at a loss for good social media though. It seems like most social media sites have just gotten worse over the past decade.

I guess there's pros an cons to it all. Pro: less time wasted on social media Con: I've missed out on some information that is sometimes good to know.

[-] PoliticallyIncorrect@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago
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[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago

So at what point does/did it reach death spiral?

[-] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 7 points 7 months ago

When the “large” voices leave in significant numbers - in the UK it is used wildly by public sector and charity organisations, there are official governmental Twitter accounts, all the broadcasters have accounts.

[-] Midnitte@beehaw.org 7 points 7 months ago

Really wish I could convince local government entities to switch to Mastodon - my local police said it was "subject to O.P.R.A." and needed to meet retention rules (if you rolled your own...), and the state wildfire commission said they were looking at Threads :/

So instead, both are still stuck on the platform that requires a login to see posts and filled with nazis.

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[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 6 points 7 months ago

the death spiral is in progress, elon's just rich so he can pay bills (or let leases go resulting in eviction...) for a while

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 7 months ago

But Lonnie said they're doing great? /s

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