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THE SENATE UNANIMOUSLY passed a bipartisan bill to provide recourse to victims of porn deepfakes — or sexually-explicit, non-consensual images created with artificial intelligence

The legislation, called the Disrupt Explicit Forged Images and Non-Consensual Edits (DEFIANCE) Act — passed in Congress’ upper chamber on Tuesday.  The legislation has been led by Sens. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), as well as Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) in the House.

The legislation would amend the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) to allow people to sue those who produce, distribute, or receive the deepfake pornography, if they “knew or recklessly disregarded” the fact that the victim did not consent to those images.

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

How close does the deep fake need to be to the original? What we saw with DALLE2 was that each person whose face was restricted made a hole in the latent space of all faces. After enough celebrities faces were restricted, there were so many latent space holes that the algorithm couldn't make faces at all since every producable face was a certain "distance" away from a restriction.

Sure, you can make lora training on unconsenting people illegal and also make particular prompts illegal, but there is enough raw data and vague prompts to mold a generation into something that looks like it was done the illegal way without breaking either of those two restrictions.

[-] gnutrino@programming.dev 23 points 1 month ago

The text of the bill specifies

when viewed as a whole by a reasonable person, is indistinguishable from an authentic visual depiction of the individual.

So it's not trying to chase specific implementations but using a "reasonable person" test (which I would argue is a good thing)

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

There are billions of people. Find the right one, and a "reasonable person" could not tell the difference.

Image a law that said you cannot name your baby a name if someone else's name starts with the same letter. After 26 names, all future names would be illegal. The law essentially would make naming babies illegal.

The "alphabet" in this case is the distict visual depiction of all people. As long as the visual innumeration of "reasonable people" is small enough, it essentially makes any generation illegal. Conversely, if "reasonable people" granulated fine enough, it makes avoiding prosecution trivial by adding minor conflicting details.

[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago

You should maybe do a little more reading on the word "reasonable."

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

"The right one" according to whom? There are two sides to a court case. The opposition can find all kinds of ways to show that person is not reasonable since they can't recognize a very good simulation of someone's face, just like they can show someone who is shortsighted didn't see the car crash like they said they did.

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

So if I make AI porn of a celebrity but give her a face tattoo saying AI generated then its legal?

[-] gnutrino@programming.dev 8 points 1 month ago

Doubt it, a reasonable person will generally be able to tell if you're obviously taking the piss with the law. Feel free to try it and let us know how you get on though.

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

But that is not what the bill says, the reasonable person is not evaluating my intent, it's evaluating if the video is "indistinguishable from an authentic visual depiction of the individual" which in this case it would be very distinguishable since the individual does not have said face tattoo.

[-] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

How does your legal team compare to Scarlett Johansen's? There's your answer where the line is.

[-] fern@lemmy.autism.place 2 points 1 month ago

We're not talking about Scarlets team here, what about Jane Doe?

[-] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

When does parody/fair use come into play? If it's a caricature of the person is that okay?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Defamation is not parody. Fake porn of someone is absolutely defamation.

I can't legally make a "parody" of you but you're a pedophile.

Edit: Since there seems to be some confusion, I am not calling them a pedophile, I'm saying I can't make some sort of fake of them as a pedophile and call it a parody.

[-] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

I asked a question and you called me a pedophile. Bit of an over reaction?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm literally doing the opposite of calling you a pedophile. I'm saying it would be illegal to call you a pedophile and claim it's a parody. That's not an excuse for defamation.

And I said that because I am assuming you are not a pedophile.

I'm not sure why you didn't get that.

[-] ticho@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

A bit of unfortunate wording there. :) I had to go back and reread it slowly in order to understand what you meant.

[-] ImADifferentBird 5 points 1 month ago

Ironically, the face tattoo might convince some people it's real, since AI has a well known problem with writing coherent text.

[-] teft@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

So the old libel trick where you give the character a small dick should work?

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

Sure, you can make lora training on unconsenting people illegal

Nobody said this needs to be illegal. Scrape up my pictures and render me jumping the grand canyon on a motorcycle or something. I don't care.

But spread around fake nudes and then I am happy we have a law I can use against you.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Can i copywrite or patent my face, then sue other humans tglhat look like me and either get royalties or make them stop using their face?

Or where is the limit on me and my rights to my face?

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