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The machines, now inaccessible, are arguably more secure than before.

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[-] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Zach Vorhies (who made leaking Google stuff to Project Veritas his entire identity) has the worst possible take: https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1814405221738786984 (lemme gather my thoughts and explain why in the next comment)

[-] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Fair warning that I'll be ranty because I hate losers talking about DEI hires.

So why is memory address 0x9c trying to be read from? Well because... programmer error.

So what happened is that the programmer forgot to check that the object it's working with isn't valid, it tried to access one of the objects member variables...

This is a huge assumption. ~~The last rumor I've read from actual cybersecurity people is that Crowdstrike's update files were corrupt~~ (update: disproven by Crowdstrike's blog post). If this is true it's likely still from programmer error at some level, but maybe not as simple as "whoopsie I forgot an if (data == nullptr) teehee".

He, like the rest of us that don't work at Crowdstrike, has no idea what happened. I have seen computers do the weirdest gosh darn things. I know better than to assume anything at this point. I wouldn't even rule out weird stuff like the data getting corrupted between release qualification and release yet.

It turns out that C++, the language crowdstrike is using, likes to use address 0x0 as a special value to mean "there's nothing here", don't try to access it or you'll die.

This thread is full of these sorts of small technical inaccuracies and oversimplifications so I won't point out all of them, but nothing in the C++ standard requires null pointers to refer to memory address 0x0. Nor does it require that dereferencing a null pointer terminates the program.

Windows died not because C++ asked it nicely to, but because a driver tried to access an address which wasn't paged in.

Crowdstrike should have set up automated testing using address sanitizer and thread sanitizer that runs on every code update.

The funny thing about accessing into non-paged memory in kernel space:

  1. It will crash regardless of if it's running under Asan or not, sanitizers are literally irrelevant based on what we know so far
  2. The Asan version he linked to is for user-space. In the windows kernel you'd need KASAN instead.

(If this was a simple nullptr dereference on bad input data then perhaps a fuzzer would have helped. Fuzzers are great though I have no idea how hard they are to use with kernel drivers)

C++ is hard. Maybe they have a DEI engineer that did this

Dude would probably call me a "DEI hire"; but I bet I could beat him in a C++ deathmatch so neener neener.

[-] within_epsilon@beehaw.org 6 points 5 months ago

"DEI hire" is arrogant. That's a great way to other people instead of owning the flaw. I appreciate the call for maturity in the field. Own your flaws.

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 19 points 5 months ago

the use of “DEI hire” is a shorthand for “i'm a massive racist shitweasel”

[-] alm@awful.systems 17 points 5 months ago

It actually blows my mind that these people can see a bad thing happen, know exactly zero about it, and conclude “must have been a (insert slur) who did that”. They did the same shit with the Baltimore bridge collapse.

[-] Catalyst512@awful.systems 12 points 5 months ago

Hold on now, it could also be shorthand for "I'm a massive misogynist shitweasel".

[-] mawhrin@awful.systems 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

technically both, but “dei” became a mostly racist dogwhistle.

eta: also, people rarely express only a single type of prejudice.

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