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Not a coherent response.
See, in America we have a two party system. It isn't great but it's what we have. As the oldest constitutional democracy, they made a ton of progress but didn't quite understand parties and how the systems set up would play out. Under this system, you don't get a great candidate to vote for. You get a middle of the road lukewarm candidate. And now we get that and a complete crazypants candidate. Choosing to not vote against the complete crazypants candidate because the lukewarm one isn't your ideal candidate is such an obvious trap that a lot of people think only Russian bots can fall for it. I'm not quite that optimistic. I know people are susceptible to propaganda, and if you throw on a heaping pile of repeated disappointment it's an excellent environment for it to work.
So, it was a fairly coherent response. But not for people who are Russian bots, or in the throws of apathy from a huge disinformation campaign and just generally awful human existence. Honestly? I hope everything gets better for you too. Cause it doesn't look like life is great for Russian bots or republicans or disillusioned people who don't know where to turn. Best of luck my dude (or bot)
Genocide support is not lukewarm nor middle of the road. It's entirely unacceptable. You might be willing to compromise over the deliberate starvation and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people, I'm not and literally nothing you say can make me "come round" to the idea that a little genocide is ok to save my own skin.
Because people like you allow democrats to continue getting away with dircing ineffectual, right-wing politics under the excuse that there are only two oarties, therefore we tye voters work for the politicians instead of vice versa.
Your politics are los8ng us our democracy. Time to stop.
No. It wasn't. It was literally that they had no otger defense for their political position than "If you're not neoliberal/right-wing you're a rusdian bot". It's incoherent because Biden will lose this election, people making excuses for him and the political strategy that landed ys in this situation are the ones who are more likely sock puppets and trolls.
yeah, cause Donald trump doesn't support genocide too.
There's no discussion here. You get one or the other.
No amount of not voting changes the result to the point where you aren't getting Trump or Biden.
With trump you lose the progress people have fought for. With Biden you get status quo bullshit. At least the status quo preserves the efforts of the past people can still build on in the future. It's a non argument. Every one of your points is irrelevant for this election right now.
So I guess we gotta realize you're just a bot after all. This election matters. Every election matters. But progress isn't only made during major presidential elections, there's plenty of ways to keep moving the needle outside of this. I won't be wasting further time with you. But hopefully people reading don't fall into the same trap you have or are paid to present.
Don't forget: if we get Trump and manage to continue to have elections, the DNC can and will throw up an even shittier pro-corporate, center-right candidate against Trump and still claim the high ground.
I love this. It's a perfect example. If we manage to continue having elections is on the ballet. It's actually in question.
The other side being crap is completely irrelevant at that point. It's absurd that I of all people am telling you to vote for Joe Biden, who I don't agree with about anything. I think Bernie was too to the right for me personally.
Do there need to be fundamental changes? Absolutely, when you can't vote for anyone at all it's going to be much harder to affect the change you want.
I disagree.
An end to the farce that is democracy in America would actually make it easier to affect change, because we wouldn't be wasting time yelling at each other to vote anymore and could actually focus on direct action.
No. Fuck this. GOP supporting a genocide does not make it ok for Democrats.
Which is why the only option for people who actually believe genocide support is non-negotiable is voting Uncommitted.
Joe Biden is not minimizing Israel's genocide, he's actively facilitating it to the maximum extent. There's no way for you to vote Joe Biden and pretend you're the anti-genocide. No amount of rhetorical backflips will change that you're voting for a genocide supporter.
You might not like that hard realization that that is what you are now, but that's what your vote communicates to Democrats; "I accept genocide support as part of the party platform and am willing to go as far to the extreme right as you want, as long as the otherside is slightly more to the right. I'll never revolt."
There is no progress through a party that supports genocide. None. That's already been established historically. You're essentially voting exactly like a Republican from the 80s-90s, that's your "progress".
Go look at what's happening in Gaza, stop fucking covering up your eyes to the reality of what Biden is enabling. Destruction and starvation to such an extent that people literally can't even calculate it. The people who would account for the dead have have been bombed to death along with everyone else. Hospitals reduced to rubble, schools leveled, cemetaries bulldozed, aid workers murdered. Millions of people people herded into "safe zones" then then bombed.
If this isn't finishing the fucking the job I don't know what is:
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Fuck anyone who tries to "yeah but Trump" this away. This is Joe Biden's "moderate genocide". Fuck anyone who excuses this is or demands that others accept it as a "compromise" so you can save your own comfort. How fucking dare you try to convince people to support someone who's doing this.
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