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Biden introduces Zelenskiy as ‘President Putin’ at Nato summit
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A move from extreme right to right is a move to the left.
No it isn"t, it's a move from extreme right to right. Moving from far-right populism to Neoliberalism is not closer to Socialism, it's Capitalism in a different form. Politics and economics are not really a spectrum eith quantifiable numbers, they are positions, the spectrum is just shorthand.
Secondly, we are already right wing. Electing Biden again is not going to move him or his positions leftward, it's stagnating in the right wing.
So, left.
No, I just explained that politics isn't as simple as a 1 dimensional line. Voting for continued right wing politicians isn't moving to the left.
If you are far right, in order to be just right you need to move towards the left. It is as simple as that. If you don't wanna, that's fine, but it is what it is.
That's not how politics works. Politics is not a game of one dimensional lines, but positions. We currently are in a Neoliberal hellscape under a genocidal Neoliberal. Voting for the genocidal Neoliberal will continue said genocidal Neoliberalism. It will maintain the position, and move no closer to Socialism.
If Trump gets elected, Neoliberalism will shift towards fascism/right-wing populism.
Neither Trump nor Biden represents moving to the Left, and will not.
And moving towards fascism is not the opposite direction of what you want?
Neither are closer to Socialism. Fascism is bad, sure. So is Neoliberalism.
So it's all the same to you, gotcha. Mass deportations, end of reproductive rights, reversal of gay rights, less funding for public schools, Bible verses on the wall, the whole project 2025, that's all just as bad as right now?
Already happening under Biden.
Not really.
It is. Biden is continuing the border wall and has higher deporations than Trump. Trans restrictions just passed through the senate. Pentagon spending increased by 200 billion, while spending for social programs decreased by 20 billion. Roe V Wade was overturned.
It's already happening under Biden.
Yeah, because Trump started it, or republican house blocks it. Very convienent leaving out 900 pages of project 2025, BTW.
Nope, the Dems are pushing it too.
If you need to tell yourself that, youbdo you.
I wonder if genocide is alienating voters...
Alienating... towards turbo genocide.
Yep, the DNC is doing turbo genocide.
And the other road goes towards mega-turbo-genocide, boots on the ground and bombing iran (again) just for good measure.
Your choice.
We already said I don't want Trump, so therefore the DNC needs to better appeal to their voterbase and cease the genocide, and swap Biden out. If they don't, Trump will win, and you will have helped them by continuing to push for Democrat-genocide.
"we don't want Trump, but if you don't do xyz I will stay at home/camping against you/bitch and moan and help him win"
"If you say that the DNC should stop committing genocide so more people vote for them, I will whine and complain, then support the genocide."
Yes, this is accurate. The only two options as of July 2024 are genocide or mega-turbo-genocide.
I'd like to have peace on earth, but that's not on the ballot. America is not ready to give up genocide cold turkey. Complaining about the genocide makes the mega-turbo-genocide more likely, which I don't want.
Shit situation, but I choose pragmatism.
Nope, the DNC can be pressured to stop, or Third Parties.
Sure is on the ballot for third party. America is ready to give up genocide, the DNC and GOP are not, because their donors want it. Pretending that Trump getting elected would drastically change Israel's direction is vibes-based and not materially consistent, he would continue Biden's genocide. You seem to want genocide, because you don't want to protest.
You don't, you're picking the path that has the least chance of winning, the DNC maintaining their genocide will result in Trump winning, guaranteed, regardless of you or I. You're batting both for Genocide and a DNC loss to Trump.
I can protest because in my country I have like 5 parties with chances of participating in some form of coalition government.
If I had the choice of regular genocide or genocide ultra, I sure would try to avoid the genocide ultra. Which voting for a third party absolutely does not do.
Also, if you think the dnc can be pressured to stop as of today, I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
Third Parties have already stated they are anti-genocide.
They can be, they realize they are cooked if they don't swap out Biden and go against genocide. Internal leaks confirm that they are planning on a Trump presidency being the most likely outcome already.
Lol, third parties again. In an electoral college system.