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Video appears to show gang-rape of Afghan woman in a Taliban jail
(www.theguardian.com)
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.....and how many more years of military occupation would have prevented that?
A generarion or two. If you invade; you better be prepared to build the state as well.
I don't even know where to begin with the levels of idiocy contained in your remark.
Like, do I start with the realities of how Western PMC mineral extraction fed into the cycle of extremism and poverty, the problems inherent with trying to use foreign military occupation to create a functioning centralized state out of a tribal society who's only a nation because colonial powers drew lines on maps, or just the raw racism of believing that the white saviors should invade and occupy poor brown countries because we have to show those savages how to be better people.
Afghanistan did not arise as a result from colonial powers. That's false and completely ignores the self determination of Afghans.
Also, the stuff you're saying about how the country was just a simple, tribal place is actually very hurtful. Borderline racist.
Lmao are you high rn? I swear it's always a huge invented argument/event with you fine folks.
We left, the Taliban took over. This woman got raped and blackmailed in a Taliban jail. After the US left. A jail ran by the Taliban. The taliban's jail. The jail which was ran by the Taliban. The jail ran by the Taliban which wasn't being ran by the US.
But go on about how western racism is the problem here lmao. The issue I'm seeing is prisoners getting raped, but what TF do I know 🤷
If that's how Taliban jails are operated it would be super racist of me to deem that unsafe, unethical or even wrong. I'll choose to be open and accept that Taliban jails are for raping and blackmailing because I am a man of culture.
Probably more than a few generations. The U.S. failed to deal with the Islamic religion other than giving education to females. The entire culture of the area would need to be changed, and that means mitigate aspects of a radical religion. The U.S. was probably unwilling to do that due to its freedom of religion philosophy.
Bro. The way the US treated afgahnistan doesn't help people to look up to what the US has in mind for the country...
Years of competent and cooperative occupation? 5? Thats how long it took in Germany. Probably a bad example, but it is possible. And the occupational force reaaaaally has to work to combat the reasons for this. Under the US Occupation women had a lot more rights and presence in society. The PMCs and scumbags that led this regime however did nothing else to attract loyalty from the afghan soldiers.
Years of extractive Nationbuilding? fuck if i know.
I'm having flashbacks to Iraq, or rather talking to Americans about the thing when they were all gung-ho about it. "It's going to be just like Germany!" is what you always say, completely ignoring that Germany had a democratic tradition, proper civil society, well-educated population able to re-industrialise in a couple of years, Universities that pre-date Columbus, and in many ways created those very values you claim you instilled. Do I have to remind you of the US's domestic Apartheid policies at that point in time gods fucking thanks you didn't instil shit.
Also the occupation of Germany lasted 45 years (1945-1990) but that's a technicality.
Iraq was an absolute shit show and nowhere near as competently planned as the German Occupation.
Yeah, drawing up an entire rebuilding plan, funding years and years of developement in that country is definitely the same as throwing ones hands in the air and yelling "THE FREE MARKET WILL FIX ALL OF THIS" while disregarding any local democratic initiative. Torturing the civilian population, releasing the entire army on day one, thereby creating 400.000 armed and disappointed men.
Iraq did not fail because the Americans or the West couldnt. It just had no interest at that time.
Btw, the democratic tradition in Germany was barely 14 years old and was hated by more than 30% of its pre war population. We had just come out of commiting the worst genocide in history and most of us cheered for it.
I cant mention it enough: Under the american occupation, afghan women and minorities enjoyed more protection and participation than they ever had in the last 100 years. And as soon as the military presence went away, women were kicked out of public life and the Taliban started ethnically cleasing the Hezaras.
The SPD was founded 1863. Germany had been a constitutional monarchy with a parliament for quite a while, based on Prussia's introduction of the thing in 1848. That was introduced not so much by grace of the King but because of the people demanding it.
And, no, the Americans didn't have a plan going into Germany, either. Not having plans is kind of their thing. They didn't even plan on entering the war, remember. I could go into endless detail here but that e.g. VW still exists is due to the Brits, definitely not US policy, and let's not forget the French keen on overcoming arch enmity and turning it around into European integration.
For claiming to be German you know preciously little German history.
Yes. And it was a grave mistake to not arm the women. Imagine the Taliban trying to take Kabul if there were two or three women battalions around, very much fighting in self-interest, calling their male colleagues limp-dicked over not putting up a fight.