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Russia's LGBTQ+ community is turning to Telegram as the government cracks down on them
(www.lgbtqnation.com)
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Shout out to that one user named Good Girl who swore that being on Hexbear and Lemmygrad meant she got better treatment than the rest of lemmy.
I hope she gets over her self-hatred and loves herself as much as outside of those spaces.
I'm missing out on this particular bit of Lemmy Lore, did something happen?
It only really impacted me and a few others on Blahaj/196. She "swore off" the rest of Lemmy (still has it, still uses it) and said that being on Hexbear was better for her than other spaces online, and anyone disagreeing, even other trans women, were all wrong.
I don't understand why someone would downvote you or why this opinion would cause an impact of any kind? People say all sorts of crazy things online. Was she particularly rude, trollish or baitey?
She thought that the group of trans people that run 196 was somehow enabling transphobia and other horrid things when we constantly removed it.
And when we removed it, she said it was better for communication if kept things up to show the idiots.
And then when I kept it up, she got mad at me for not instantly banning and removing them.
Like everything 196 does was inherently a master plan where we messed with all users just for her.
She's banned because she constantly went "I can't wait to leave this place" and never did. So I left the ban note along the lines of "If you want to leave, you can. You're not, you're harassing users and defending tankies, so take this time to breath some air."
I see, thanks for sharing!
Yeah I’d like to see them justify that
At a guess: "these things are necessary to secure the state from Western agitators and things will change."
The great thing about never interacting with a group of people is that you can just make up whatever you want about them.
I'm literally interacting with you right now. Did you think I couldn't see you were from lemmy.ml? Do you think you're the only one from lemmy.ml who comments in this community?
I'm unsure what you think a tankie is.
Someone who supports Imperialism when America/"the West" isn't doing it. Really, that's all it boils down to.
don't stress - they're being disingenuous.
you again. 🤦♂️
Who keeps telling me to log off?
I will NEVER log off!
You have it backwards. A tankie would be in favor of running him over.
I've heard plenty of "LGBT Rights is wrong because it means forcing Western Values on other cultures" stories from Tankies. It was enough to prove Horseshoe Theory to me.
you‘ve never been on hexbear, have you?
it‘s just a complete uninformed take. Hexbear is pro LGBTQ. And outspokenly so.
ah, hm, because you think they are Putin shills at the same time?
but you never been on the instance?
so it shouldn‘t be difficult for you to show me some examples of Putin shilling hexbear users, right?
what is it with the poo, man?
15 days old poo, mind you.
I mean, it‘s pretty unimaginative to label these guys Putin shills. These guys are fed up with the way the Western world is run. They are fed up with the hypocrisy of liberal politics. And maybe there’s something to it, no? The way all others are preaching nationalism, the sanctity of our markets and success, hexbear to me really feels like a bit of fresh air.
I kinda don't want to dip my toes in this, but here goes:
I agree that it's occasionally a breath of fresh air. The issue I've always had with Hexbear is they've more or less replaced one version of American (and to a lesser extent European) exceptionalism with another. Where American nationalists consider America to be exceptionally great, Hexbear considers it to be exceptionally evil. They routinely attribute domestic incidents in different countries to American meddling--regardless of evidence--even when those events either achieve nothing for American geostrategic goals or actively harm them. America as the "great Satan," etc.
Just an example because I remember it: Imran Khan lost an internal power struggle in Pakistan. He was probably the most west-friendly candidate left there, but Hexbear blamed a CIA coup https://hexbear.net/post/186331
In the same vein, they permit or even encourage Chinese aggression against the Philippines, within the Philippines' own exclusive economic zone. You can't substitute one form of imperialism for another. It's a trap I see a lot of leftists fall into.
I think most of 'em are alright. Just growing into leftist thought still and grappling with the moshpit that is international politics. Also they're funny lol
People, observe the rhetorical devices of tankies. They do not engage in meaningful discourse. They answer with non-sequiturs framed as innocent questions. They present themselves as free speech defenders, yet they use this free speech to defend the most oppressive regimes in the world, though most often implicitly as their whole thesis becomes an obvious sophism were it to be explicitly stated:
America bad, therefore Russia/China/NK good.
It's the exact same rhetorical devices that /r/The_Donald used during the '16 election, only with a different goal. It's the methodology of people actively working against their own self-interest, shitting all over rational discourse because they found themselves in a self-reassuring echo-chamber of anticonformism.
Russia is terrible on LGBT rights.
Being a tankie doesn't mean that you agree with everything any non-Western state does, it just means that you're critical of war and are willing to consider internationalist perspectives.
Yeah, I don't fully agree with their decision to intervene in the Ukrainian civil war, just as I don't agree with Ukraine's shelling of Donbass in violation of Minsk II, or with the coup and banning of opposition parties that led the disputed territories to declare independence.
The best case scenario, as has been the case since the start, is for a peace agreement to be reached as soon as possible to prevent further loss of life. Which reactionary government controls the disputed territories isn't worth people dying over.
Of course Russia had nothing to do with the war. They would never fund and support the separatists, or spread anti Ukrainian propaganda amongst the Russian speaking population, because Putin loves democracy and just wants the best for everyone, of course. /s
I used precisely one adjective in that comment to describe Russia's government, could you tell me what it was?
No response tells me you can't read.
You said you "don't fully agree" with Russia intervening in the civil war (by shelling kyiv I guess, because theres definitely civil war there). As if they didn't provoke it in the first place to justify their invasion.
I also wouldn't expect people who are criticial of war to say that they "don't fully agree" with Russia waging a war of aggression and commiting mass murder and war crimes in Ukraine, I would expect some actual condemnation of such atrocities.
Let's not forget that there would have been no "Ukrainian Civil War" if Russia hadn't annexed Crimea.
You don't agree with most aspects of reality.
What? It absolutely does not. It means you're an authoritarian "communist".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie